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Barack Obama's new rescue plan Don't panic....Yet 'Obama has waged the waged the dirtiest campaign in American history. "That one" Ask Obama & McCain these questions tonight Ther're Back: Ayers,Wright, and Rezko The House needs to step up to the plate. Where are the leaders? Time out? It's about time October 07 November 07 December 07 January 08 February 08 March 08 April 08 May 08 June 08 July 08 August 08 September 08 October 08 John Edwards & Barack Obama went straight for the jugular in going after Hillary. They attacked the vote on calling the Iranian Revolutionary Council a terrorist organization. Saying it will give this president the excuse he needs to go to war with Iran. Hillary’s inconsistent answers were exposed on social security and at the end of the debate she agreed with New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's controversial plan to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants but then a minute later started backtracking. Now Bill Clinton was a master at being evasive but her facial expressions and demeanor showed she is no Bill Clinton. Will this debate change the numbers? I don’t know. I think what was really exposed last night was status quo positions of the front runner. How can my party complain about the secrecy in the Bush Administration if Hillary does not turn over all her documents? I understand it gives the other candidates an unfair advantage, because she will be the only candidate required to do this. But if this lack of transparency is going to stop, someone has to take the lead. The other is lobbyist money; Hillary has out raised all the candidates of both parties in lobbyist money from Wall Street, defense department, and insurance and drug companies. Some might see it as success but really it business as usual. Somehow we must have a leader to take us to public financing because these lobbyist have too much influence. I am getting suspicious as to why the Bush Administration is getting their way on the latest NSA spying bill. Did the telecommunication lobbyist have something to do with it? I don’t know. This may sound like a slam on Hillary but it really isn’t, it just exposes some of her weakness in a primary. Great leaders learn form mistakes and they don’t usually repeat them. Constructive criticism will only make a person stronger. 
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Are we inviting a holy war?
I have noticed some of the posters are echoing sentiments of the past and injecting scriptures as if to say “God is on our side” then they wonder why people call them hateful. The other side is not any better with their in-your-face attitude. No one likes to be forced to accept anything. Great leaders of the past, such as Gandhi, and Dr. Martin Luther King used peaceful means to make their point. Even though We have not come far from the 1800s when ads for John Adams, read” Adams and God, or Yesterday, Mike Huckabee said. “If a man tells me, he does not wear his religion on his sleeve, then that man has no faith”. (Sic) That angered me, because that is being judgmental. He can not tell me that ,the values instilled in me years ago, cannot subconsciously be the driving force of my decisions; just because I do not wear my religion on my sleeve. There is a fear among some Christians that From time to time, extremists will try and remove God from the pledge of allegiance , from our coins and from the public domain in general. Courts have decided with tradition every time, so they remain. Extremist will also try to defy federal and state law, such as in the Mary Schiavo and Judge Moore case. Religion will always be a big part of this great country, but sometimes it needs its checks and balances. 6 comments from 3 users
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posted by
maryann
on Dec 15, 2007 at 03:31 PM
I'm all for a healthy religious debate- it means that our brains and souls are still working as they should. As for evolution, well.... it's still a theory, especially the part about higher species evolving from lower species, like a tiger from a shark. Not enough fossils to prove that yet. I have no problem of evolution, as long as it's taught as a theory. As my kids enter junior high, they will be prepared for books/teachers that try to teach them they come from monkeys and that it's a proven historical point!!! lol We have separation of state and religion here. We have no state church, and the church is not trying to appoint and annoint presidents. Yes, churches can guide on principles, and it's their duty to do so. I like our set up. I think all candidates pander. Why can't they pander to religionists? I agree that some shouldn't be saying "God is on our side." That's a bit much. posted by
LAHightower
on Dec 15, 2007 at 03:15 PM
In 1992, Mike Huckabee said “God is on the side of Republicans and with George W. Bush”. Why does that remind me of the short story by Mark Twain. What was it? The War Prayer? Everyone screams their cause it righteous and never bothers to look and see what their advantages could take from others. God help and guide us all. posted by
Mike
on Dec 15, 2007 at 01:31 PM
Hello maryann I don’t want this country; go back to 1925 in which a teacher John Scopes was put on trial for teaching his students a chapter on Darwinian evolution. We’re not that far off, because three GOP candidates raised their hands indicating that they did not believe in the theory of evolution. This is the year 2007. Why are we even asking the question? I think religion thrives in the Mike Huckabee, asked question “Do the Mormons believe that God and Satan were brothers?” Obviously, Mr. Huckabee was pandering to the evangelicals. Again, this is the year 2007, we should be beyond that. In 1992, Mike Huckabee said “God is on the side of Republicans and with George W. Bush”. Many think our current president has a messianic worldview that, told him to the bring freedom to the I’ll really saying separation of church and state becoming less and less. posted by
maryann
on Dec 14, 2007 at 09:07 PM
I don't know exactly who the "we" are when you think of inviting a holy war, Mike, but I think the war is going on if we invite it or not, so some of us grab our weapons and hop in. My favorite weapons are the Rosary and the Divine Mercy Chaplet! I believe that without true Christian principles and morality, politics and business become tyrannical. I have in mind communist govts. of the last century. Also, some stock holders from Enron might have hoped that the execs. remembered the 7th and 8th Commandments as their retirement funds went to zero. I hear you Hightower about those who shout out the loudest in the name of religion can sometimes do the worst damage. Usually, those types can be seen through, but sadly, not right away by many people. If we look at the lives of some of the great saints, such as St. Francis of Assisi and John Paul the Great, who will be canonized, they didn't do much shouting. There holy and selfless actions spoke incredibly louder than words.
posted by
Mike
on Dec 14, 2007 at 02:40 PM
Hello LAhightower
Thanks for sharing , I didn’t know what Hillary was going through during the Bill Clinton fiasco,but the segment on CNN; where the candidates discussed their faith, she brought up the story you mentioned. I remain leary of those people who think injecting scripture, gives them instant credibilityposted by
LAHightower
on Dec 14, 2007 at 09:54 AM
Despite my personal issues with Hillary, she did make one statement that impressed me as a Christian. She said her upbringing and background had made her suspicious of those who wear their religion on their sleeves. I completely understand this sentiment. My family has seen some tough times in the church, and often it's the ones who shout our Lord's name the loudest who have done the most damage. Thankfully, we've had friends of faith that used gentleness and love to help us heal. But the main reason this impressed me was a recap back to when dear old Bill was in office and on the track for impeachment. There are several accounts of Hillary quietly taking a Bible with her and taking some time to herself throughout the day to read the scriptures. I may not approve of the Democrat platform, but if we get someone like Romney or Huckabee for the Republican side, I may vote for her.
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