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Oh,when we practice to decieve

I finally watched the four-part Bill O'Reilly- Hillary Clinton face-offs, because for the most part the so-called left wing media gave it good reviews.  I was disappointed because it was the same old thing, O’Reilly boasting that as a millionaire his taxes would be raised and his insistence that torture works.  Hillary was Hillary, saying what she wanted and how she wanted., The pundits seem to think that she made some inroads with some right wingers ,because by appearing on O’Reilly showed she had guts.  This is the same crowd that likes the toughness of Bill O'Reilly and George W. Bush.  Competence is not high on their list. Say what you mean, and say it often. Just keep it simple

 Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace was a little more interesting. Howard Dean was his guest and I'm sure Chris did not get the results he wanted. Chris Wallace started the interview by asking Howard Dean, why the Democrats were distorting John McCain's 100 years in Iraq remarks. Remember; this is the network that gave the Swift boaters endless coverage, even after the Department of Defense put up John Kerry's medals and the military version of events on their website.  This is the same network that played Obama is a Muslim card and Chris Wallace is complaining about a 527 ad  Yes ,I know what John McCain meant, but  I also know his analogy does not make sense.  First the Sunnis and Shia have been at odds for over a thousand years, and we have no reason to believe that they will resolve their differences anytime soon, so our troops will always be in the middle with a target on their back.  I served in South Korea in 1966, and could actually spend my leave time in the capital city Seoul in my civvies and unarmed.  Since I volunteered, my first choice was Germany (you see how far that got me) because of its closeness to other European countries made it a great tour, if you had to go overseas.  Since Israel remains the big target and Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia remain neighbors; Iraq will always be dangerous duty.

The rest of Fox News Sunday was an attempt to toot their own horn without all the facts.  Chris Wallace, Brit Hume, Bill Kristol and Juan Williams tried to make it appear that the Democrats are clamoring to go on Fox news because it’s number one.  First the Democrats did not debate on Fox, yet they increased their numbers of new Democrats.  Over 27 million primary voters have voted for either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama far outnumbering the GOP's voters.  The Democratic primary is at its tail end, so it is now convenient for the Democrats to get the free airtime and possibly get more votes by going on Fox... A gain for both parties because Fox News Sundays trails the other Sunday talk shows in ratings.  Of course, Chris Wallace failed to tell its audience about this spitting contest with MoveOn.Org (527) and the Daily Kos (blog), because the latter convinced the Democratic candidates not to debate on Fox?  This was a big embarrassment for Fox and they are seeking their revenge.  The boycott has ended.  The same can be said for Bill O'Reilly because he is now making a personal; going after the CEO of GE for its ties with Iran (GE severed its ties with Iran in 2005) because he is not willing to go after NBC's Keith Olbermann. The countdown with Keith Olbermann regularly mocks Bill O'Reilly and makes him the “Worse Person of World.” This gets under Billo’s skin because MSNBC will not make Keith stop,

Some posters think I am plugging MSNBC, because I reference a quote or two from that network.  Not so, when I first started posting the editor would always ask us to cite our references, so we would not appear to be plagiarizing and it would give the readers a source to see the full context.  I continue to do that ,because I’ve been using this Ronald Reagan quote for a long time "Trust but verify"

 

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posted by sandwichh on May 5, 2008 at 04:46 PM

For the month of April.

Fox has 9 of the top 10 for April,..mmm

MSNBC starts at, well, 19th.

That's probably why Hillary and Obama went on FOX, they wanted to talk to the majority of the people.

 

Apr'08 P2+ Weekday Ranker

APRIL '08 (LIVE+SD) FINAL Competitive Program Analysis (excluding breaking news & specials)

APRIL '08: (03/31/2008 - 04/25/2008)

Ranked On:

HH HH P2+ A25-54

NETWORK PROGRAM NAME DAYS TIME COV AA% AA (000) AA (000) AA (000)

FOXN THE OREILLY FACTOR MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 2.0 1,875 2,394 451

FOXN HANNITY & COLMES MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 1.5 1,394 1,793 396

FOXN ON THE RECORD W/GRETA MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 1.2 1,116 1,398 315

FOXN SPECIAL REPORTW/BRIT HUME MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 1.1 1,072 1,312 265

FOXN THE OREILLY FACTOR (RPT) MTWTF__ 11:00P -12:00A 1.1 995 1,239 350

FOXN THE FOX REPORT W/S.SMITH MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 1.1 1,001 1,229 256

CNN LARRY KING LIVE MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.9 885 1,069 298

FOXN FOX AND FRIENDS MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 1.0 902 1,023 321

FOXN AMERICAS NEWSROOM MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.9 870 1,017 228

FOXN AMERICAS ELECTION HQ MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.9 828 977 186

CNN CNN ELECTION CENTER MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.8 772 962 291

FOXN YOUR WORLD W/NEIL CAVUTO MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.9 823 951 161

FOXN STUDIO B W/S.SMITH MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.9 798 920 162

CNN LOU DOBBS TONIGHT MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.7 708 871 239

FOXN HAPPENING NOW MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.8 756 869 170

FOXN LIVE DESK W/M.MACCALLUM MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.8 729 840 167

CNN ANDERSON COOPER 360 MTWTF__ 10:00P -12:00A 0.7 705 824 249

FOXN AMERICAS PULSE MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.8 715 817 159

MSNB COUNTDOWN W/ K. OLBERMANN MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.6 564 707 261

CNN SITUATION ROOM MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.6 546 640 182

MSNB HARDBALL WITH C. MATTHEWS MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.5 452 529 167

HLN NANCY GRACE MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.5 438 526 196

FOXN FOX & FRIENDS FIRST MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.5 491 522 193

MSNB VERDICT WITH DAN ABRAMS MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.5 428 515 177

CNN PLANET IN PERIL M_WTF__ 10:00P -12:00A 0.4 427 495 189

CNBC DEAL OR NO DEAL _T_TF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.4 346 454 153

MSNB RACE/WHTE HSE W/D GREGORY MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.4 393 445 126

CNN CNN NEWSROOM MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.4 409 443 137

CNN ISSUE NO. 1 MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.4 392 427 134

CNBC SQUAWK ON THE STREET 2 MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.4 382 408 121

CNBC CALL, THE MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.4 360 390 109

CNBC SQUAWK ON THE STREET 930A MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.4 357 375 126

CNBC CLOSING BELL 4P MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.4 336 365 83

CNN AMERICAN MORNING MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.4 349 357 120

HLN GLENN BECK MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.3 287 356 129

CNBC CLOSING BELL 3P MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.4 328 355 83

CNBC STREET SIGNS MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.3 313 350 90

CNBC POWER LUNCH MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.3 310 342 90

HLN SHOWBIZ TONIGHT MTWTF__ 11:00P -12:00A 0.3 290 327 138

MSNB MSNBC INVESTIGATES (RPT) M_WTF__ 11:00P -12:00A 0.3 276 326 176

CNBC SQUAWK ON THE STREET 9A MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.3 310 324 111

MSNB MORNING JOE MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.3 290 312 96

CNBC SQUAWK BOX 8:30A MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.3 283 294 90

MSNB MSNBC LIVE MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.3 258 287 98

CNBC SQUAWK BOX 8A MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.3 255 271 92

CNBC KUDLOW & COMPANY MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.2 208 236 86

CNBC FAST MONEY MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.2 211 229 80

CNBC SQUAWK BOX 7:30A MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.2 208 228 84

HLN MORNING EXPRESS W/ MEADE MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.2 212 227 113

CNBC MAD MONEY MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.2 208 226 73

HLN PRIME NEWS MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.2 195 222 84

HLN CNN HEADLINE NEWS MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.2 199 216 83

HLN MORNING EXPRESS MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.2 192 210 87

HLN HLN LOCAL EDITION MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.2 186 207 83

CNBC SQUAWK BOX 7A MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.2 175 182 70

CNBC AMERICAN GREED __W____ 06:00A -11:00P 0.2 150 177 71

CNBC BIG IDEA W/ DONNY DEUTSCH MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.1 130 153 70

HLN SHOWBIZ TONIGHT MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.2 145 153 75

CNBC HIGH NET WORTH ____F__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.1 115 121 28

CNBC SQUAWK BOX 6A MTWTF__ 06:00A -11:00P 0.1 104 109 53

CNBC HIGH NET WORTH (RPT) ____F__ 11:00P -12:00A 0.1 94 101 45

CNBC MAD MONEY (RPT) MTWTF__ 11:00P -12:00A 0.09 85 100 50

Source: Nielsen Media Research, all regularly scheduled programs airing M-F 6am-12am excluding breaking news & specials.

Program Name Averages. Only scheduled programs with 3+ telecasts included.

posted by Mike on May 5, 2008 at 05:26 PM

Hello Sanwichh

You went to a lot of trouble showing the Nielsen ratings, but the primaries are in the last stages.

I was never comparing MSNBC ratings to Fox's ratings, but it does not matter to me. MSNBC is about 90% politics so when I get home to watch TV, I know they will be talking about politics. Now politics only appeal to small segment of the population. Because of this 15 month standoff between Hillary and Obama the networks are covering more.

What you seem to discount ,Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton did well without one single network(Fox),  because  if you take the ratings of CNN ,MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNBC, Ellen, Larry King,Tara Banks, the View, Today Show and Oprah the candidates got plenty of coverage without having to rely on Fox. Your rating show head-to-head, but not necessarily cumulative results of the viewing audience. The candidates were not hurting for votes because the Democrats have had record turnouts, a lot more than their Republican counterparts who have been helped out by Fox.

I think you are just trying to sell Fox….. You seem to forget this is a Democratic primary, so the viewers of Fox are not going to help that much.

Fox is a corporation, and they know this is supposed to be a Democratic year with large gains in the House and Senate, so having a Democratic boycott is not in their best interest, especially if a Democrat wins the White House. Always two ways of looking at it.

MSNBC is 19th in what category and what are the demographics. See Hillary and Obama appeared on that network for the audience (Dems)they were appealing to.If you look at the trends MSNBC is trending up and FOX is flat and it is because of the guest and the candidates.

As for news it's 5:30 slot ,free TV always beats cable because not everyone has cable, I have seen all the stats before, but my blog was not about ratings mainly the background for the spitting contest.

Anyway in closing this is what I was talking about.

Fox News ratings struggling to keep up

2008-04-01 2:15pm PT

Outtake:

Following up on an item from the other day, I thought it was worth noting that all three cable networks have seen their ratings go up during the presidential primaries, but among the “money demo,” Fox News is falling behind. (via TP)

The political season continues to be very good to CNN, which will officially announce on Tuesday that for the first time since 2001, it managed to beat the Fox News Channel in prime time for one quarter of the year in the category of news viewers most desirable to advertisers, according to Nielsen.

Thanks to its debate coverage and heavy focus on the presidential primaries, CNN’s ratings in prime time for viewers 25 to 54 were up 90 percent, to an average of 453,000 for the first quarter of 2008. That was enough to edge past the perennial leader, Fox, which had 438,000 viewers, up 12 percent from last year. MSNBC also had a strong quarter in prime time, growing 68 percent to 329,000 viewers. CNN has done especially well on the nights of contested primaries, winning every night in those ratings except one, the Florida primary on Jan. 29. That was the only night...

posted by sandwichh on May 6, 2008 at 09:10 AM

Not hard at all. Just have to go to a reputable site of a company that does non political motivated ratings like Nielsen Media Research. You don't get ratings from Fox, MSNBC, dailykos, mediamatters, moveon, and such.

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