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enoughalready - > Whats Going On??? -> 10 reasons NOT to vote for Ron Paul !
10 reasons NOT to vote for Ron Paul !

I do not support Ron Paul in ANY and I find his Congressional record and policies to be, at times, even scarier than his counterparts. The only thing that I have found to agree with him on is the fact that he does not support the war in Iraq. After extensive research I have compiled a list of 10 reasons NOT to vote for Ron Paul!

  1. Ron Paul does not value equal rights for minorities. Ron Paul has sponsored legislation that would repeal affirmative action, keep the IRS from investigating private schools who may have used race as a factor in denying entrance, thus losing their tax exempt status, would limit the scope of Brown versus Board of Education, and would deny citizenship for those born in the US if their parents are not citizens. Here are links to these bills: H.R.3863, H.R.5909, H.J.RES.46, and H.J.RES.42.
  2. Ron Paul would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive rights.Ron Paul makes it very clear that one of his aims is to repeal Roe v. Wade. He has also co sponsored 4 separate bills to “To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.” This, of course, goes against current medical and scientific information as well as our existing laws and precedents. Please see these links: H.R.2597 and H.R.392
  3. Ron Paul would be disastrous for the working class. He supports abolishing the Federal minimum wage, has twice introduced legislation to repeal OSHA, or the Occupational Safety and Health Act and would deal devastating blows to Social Security including repealing the act that makes it mandatory for employees of nonprofits, to make “coverage completely optional for both present and future workers”, and would “freeze benefit levels”. He has also twice sponsored legislation seeking to repeal the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act which among other things provide that contractors for the federal government must provide the prevailing wage and prohibits corporate “kick backs.” Here are the related legislative links: H.R.2030, H.R.4604, H.R.736, and H.R.2720
  4. Ron Paul’s tax plan is unfair to lower earners and would greatly benefit those with the highest incomes.He has repeatedly submitted amendments to the tax code that would get rid of the estate and gift taxes, tax all earners at 10%, disallow income tax credits to individuals who are not corporations, repeal the elderly tax credit, child care credit, earned income credit, and other common credits for working class citizens. Please see this link for more information: H.R.05484 Summary
  5. Ron Paul’s policies would cause irreparable damage to our already strained environment. Among other travesties he supports off shore drilling, building more oil refineries, mining on federal lands, no taxes on the production of fuel, and would stop conservation efforts that could be a “Federal obstacle” to building and maintaining refineries. He has also sought to amend the Clean Air Act, repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act of 1977, and to amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to “restrict the jurisdiction of the United States over the discharge of dredged or fill material to discharges into waters”. To see for yourself the possible extent of the damage to the environment that would happen under a Paul administration please follow these links: H.R.2504, H.R.7079, H.R.7245, H.R.2415, H.R.393, H.R.4639, H.R.5293, and H.R.6936
  6. A Ron Paul administration would continue to proliferate the negative image of the US among other nations. Ron Paul supports withdrawing the US from the UN, when that has not happened he has fought to at least have the US withdrawn from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He has introduced legislation to keep the US from giving any funds to the UN. He also submitted that the US funds should not be used in any UN peacekeeping mission or any UN program at all. He has sponsored a bill calling for us to “terminate all participation by the United States in the United Nations, and to remove all privileges, exemptions, and immunities of the United Nations.”Ron Paul twice supported stopping the destruction of intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the United States. He also would continue with Bush’s plan of ignoring international laws by maintaining an insistence that the International Criminal Court does not apply to the US, despite President Clinton’s signature on the original treaty. The International Criminal Court is used for, among other things, prosecution of war crimes. Please see the following links: H.R.3891, H.AMDT.191, H.AMDT.190, H.R.3769, H.R.1665, H.CON.RES.23, and H.R.1154
  7. Ron Paul discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation and would not provide equal rights and protections to glbt citizens. This is an issue that Paul sort of dances around. He has been praised for stating that the federal government should not regulate who a person marries. This has been construed by some to mean that he is somewhat open to the idea of same sex marriage, he is not. Paul was an original co sponsor of the Marriage Protection Act in the House in 2004. Among other things this discriminatory piece of legislation placed a prohibition on the recognition of a same sex marriage across state borders. He said in 2004 that if he was in the Texas legislature he would not allow judges to come up with “new definitions” of marriage. Paul is a very religious conservative and though he is careful with his words his record shows that he is not a supporter of same sex marriage. In 1980 he introduced a particularly bigoted bill entitled “A bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955 A direct quote from the legislation “Prohibits the expenditure of Federal funds to any organization which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style.” shows that he is unequivocally opposed to lifestyles other than heterosexual.
  8. Ron Paul has an unnatural obsession with guns. One of Paul’s loudest gripes is that the second amendment of the constitution is being eroded. In fact, he believes that September 11 would not have happened if that wasn’t true. He advocates for there to be no restrictions on personal ownership of semi-automatic weaponry or large capacity ammunition feeding devices, would repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act (because we all know our schools are just missing more guns), wants guns to be allowed in our National Parks, and repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968. Now, I’m pretty damn certain that when the Constitution was written our founding fathers never intended for people to be walking around the streets with AK47’s and “large capacity ammunition feeding devices.” (That just sounds scary.) Throughout the years our Constitution has been amended and is indeed a living document needing changes to stay relevant in our society. Paul has no problem changing the Constitution when it fits his needs, such as no longer allowing those born in the US to be citizens if their parents are not. On the gun issue though he is no holds barred. I know he’s from Texas but really, common sense tells us that the amendments he is seeking to repeal have their place. In fact, the gun control act was put into place after the assassinations of JFK, Martin Luther King, and Robert Kennedy. Please view the following links: H.R.2424, H.R.1897, H.R.1096, H.R.407, H.R.1147, and H.R.3892.
  9. Ron Paul would butcher our already sad educational system. The fact is that Ron Paul wants to privatize everything and that includes education. Where we run into problems is that it has been shown (think our current health care system) that this doesn’t work so well in practice. Ron Paul has introduced legislation that would keep the Federal Government “from planning, developing, implementing, or administering any national teacher test or method of certification and from withholding funds from States or local educational agencies that fail to adopt a specific method of teacher certification.” In a separate piece of legislation he seeks to “prohibit the payment of Federal Education assistance in States which require the licensing or certification of private schools or private school teachers.” So basically the federal government can’t regulate teaching credentials and if states opt to require them for private schools they get no aid. That sounds like a marvelous idea teachers with no certification teaching in private schools that are allowed to discriminate on the basis of race. He is certainly moving forward with these proposals!Remember his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955? Guess what? He basically advocates for segregation in schools once again. It “Forbids any court of the United States from requiring the attendance at a particular school of any student because of race, color, creed, or sex.” Without thinking about this statement it doesn’t sound bad at all. But remember, when desegregating schools that this is done by having children go to different schools, often after a court decision as in Brown Vs. Board of Education. If this were a bill that passed, schools would no longer be compelled to comply and the schools would go back to segregation based on their locations. Ron Paul is really starting to look like a pretty bigoted guy don’t you think?
  10. Ron Paul is opposed to the separation of church and state. This reason is probably behind every other thing that I disagree with in regards to Paul’s positions. Ron Paul is among those who believes that there is a war on religion, he stated “Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view.”1 Though he talks a good talk, at times, Ron Paul can’t get away from his far right, conservative views. He would support “alternative views” to evolution taught in public schools (i.e. Intelligent Design.) We’ve already taken a look at his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955 Besides hating the gays he takes a very religious stance on many other things. He is attempting to force his beliefs on the rest of America, exactly what he would do as president.

So there you have it,  10 reasons not to vote for Ron Paul. Please take the time to thoroughly review the records of the people running for office so you know where they really stand. Ron Paul has good rhetoric and he opposes the war but he’s not a good man in the human rights sense of the phrase. He is pretty much like every other Republican but more insidious.

Summer Ludwig

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posted by sandwichh on Mar 4, 2008 at 07:39 AM

Enoughalready,

 

   You give the main statement why not to vote for Ron Paul, then in your explainations you state the exact reasons to vote FOR Ron Paul. Freedoms, States Rights, Adhereing to the Constitution, A Strong monetary policy,...

You study Alinsky also?

posted by victorianbybirth on Mar 3, 2008 at 08:56 PM

After reading your list I am wondering why MORE people aren't behind Ron Paul!  He is all about states rights & that is the way it should be.  Why shouldn't the best qualified person get the job, scholarship, etc.  Why shouldn't the people have the say in their individual states in their educaional system?  Why shouldn't the people have the say in their states about abortion, pollution, the environment, gay marriage?  As someone else pointed out, if you don't like it then you can move to a state that is more agreeable to you.  I would like to keep & save the money I earn & not be taxed at 28% + sales taxes, fuel taxes, sin taxes, etc........pick one tax or another & thank GOD Texas doesn't have a State Income Tax!  I am tired of working my rear off while others do little & benefit more than me.  I really don't care if other countries like us or not...most of them don't, but they do want our $$...thats your money & my money going off to help other countries that would rather kill us than look at us.  Sorta like a global welfare program.  Church & State will always be seperate.  Gun ownership is our right & we may need them soon.  Ron Paul has said what 2 consenting adults do is not the Federal Governments business...again states decision about civil unions. 

You seem to think the states aren't capable of handling anything & the Feds should basically run our lives & all states should be the same.  I say NO.....we should be run & governed by people closer to home that actually know about our region, our needs, our people.  We the 50 states are not all the same & we shouldn't be treated all the same. 

posted by George on Mar 3, 2008 at 06:36 PM

-Ron Paul does not value equal rights?  He has fought to protecting the rights of the smallest minority of all, the individual.  So how the heck can he not value equal rights?

-Ron Paul would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive rights?  Last I checked women can have sex with anyone they want.  Last I checked women can control who they can have sex with.   People have to bear responsibility for their actions however.  The unborn has an unalienable right to life.  The unborn is a live.  Would it be a "reproductive right" for a woman to murder her baby after birth?  Whether the child is inside the womb or not it is the same person.  Roe is now pro-life.  She has many regrets of her abortion.  Women are more prone to suicide and health problems when they do have an abortion.  You can make a 5th amendment case that abortion is illegal.

-Ron Paul disastrous for the working class?  More hog wash, his policy is to restore a constitutional monetary system.  That means getting rid of the IRS and the Federal Reserve.  That would help the middle class immensely.  No income tax means more money in your pocket.  No Federal Reserve replaced with sound money means no inflation tax.  The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional.  The Federal Reserve has been stealing wealth away from the middle class for close to a century.  Thomas Jefferson warned us of a central bank.  Read what Greenspan had to in 1966 about Gold and economic freedom. He voted against managed trade deal like GATT, NAFTA, and CAFTA.  Those trade deals hurt the working class and Ron Paul voted against them all. 

-Ron Paul's tax plan is unfair to lower earners and it would benefit those with the highest incomes?  Wait a minute; the money belongs to people who earn it.  It does not belong to someone who didn't.  Reward achievement and you will have far less people on welfare.

-Ron Paul’s administration would continue to proliferate the negative image among other nations?  This is absolute nonsense!  His policy is what the founding fathers advised.  No foreign entanglements with other nations, but to be friends with them and trade with them.  Wow, that is a negative image.  Give me a break.  He wants to preserve our sovereignty by getting out of the United Nations.  Congress can only declare war.  Ron Paul would honor our Constitution which would bring back great respect for the
United States.

-Ron Paul has an obsession with guns?  No he has an obsession for protecting your Constitutional right to bear arms.

-Ron Paul would butcher our already sad educational system?  More nonsense.  He is for freedom of education and the Federal Government has no Constitutional authority to be in education.  Education should be left to the states.  Education should also be free to choose whether home school, public or private.  Since the federal government got involved in education it has gotten worse.  Back before the implementation of the Department of Education, education was of very high quality in this country which was looked with respect through out the world.  No Child Left Behind is a prime example of education getting worse not better.  Federal intervention in education has lead to a severe decline in education.

-Ron Paul is opposed to separation of church and state?  More insanity.  Read the Constitution.  There is absolutely no mention of separation of church and state in the Constitution.  The Constitution prohibits Congress of passing any laws that establish religion.  God is mentioned in every one of the preambles to the state constitutions in this country.  The Ten Commandments are still exhibited in the Supreme Court.  We swear to the bible that we tell the truth in court.  The president swears an oath to the bible when he becomes president.  We seem to forget the part; or prohibit the free exercise there of in the Constitution.

posted by chopstix on Mar 3, 2008 at 05:20 PM
Just about everything you posted refers to Ron Paul's views on the FEDERAL government, or his own personal beliefs.

1. As a Libertarian, he advocates personal liberty. That means he doesn't care if you're a minority, you (and everyone else) should be treated equally. As a minority myself, I applaud this stance. Why should I be treated differently -- either positively or negatively -- based on my race, creed, color, etc?

2. Ron Paul is pro-life, and has stated abortion should be a state decision. Roe v. Wade imposes restriction over state authority, and that's why he wants to repeal it. Think about it -- if you lived in a state that outlawed abortion, at least you would have the choice to move to another state. At a federal level, you have no choice.

4. Ron Paul is in favor of abolishing the personal federal income tax.  What could be more fair, regardless of your income level? As for repealing capital gains tax, estate tax, etc. -- I should be rewarded for saving and investing, not punished. I worked hard to earn that money and I should be allowed to keep it and pass it on without penalty.

6. We keep sticking our noses in other people's business and wonder why the world doesn't like us.  Non-intervention and a strong national defense is his platform. Like treating every individual as an equal, Ron Paul proposes treating every country as an equal, not resorting to sanctions and favoritism.

7. Refer to #1.  He wants to let the states determine their own policies, and get the federal government out of your business.

8. Guns are like nuclear weapons. Those that have them bully those that don't. It's a Pandora's Box, and trying to close it by passing gun control laws isn't going to stop those with criminal intent. But knowing that you're likely to be shot because everyone else has a gun will make you think twice about committing that violent crime.

9. You've got one thing right, our education system is sad. That's why Ron Paul supports homeschooling, and freedom of the communities and PTAs to decide what's best for their children. Our kids would be much better off if their parents actually took a personal interest in their education, rather than leave it to the bureaucrats in DC. As for your claim of bigotry, sounds to me like he wants to get rid of affirmative action. Again see #1. Measure based on performance and ability, not creed or color. Why is that so hard to accept?

10. Give me the ability to provide for myself and my family (no federal income tax), the support to teach my children what and how I want (homeschool or PTA-driven curriculum), respect for my worth as an individual (Libertarian), and freedom of choice -- and I will wager no single religion will exert more sway than I allow it to.  By the way, I'm Buddhist.
posted by KiddDynamite on Mar 3, 2008 at 04:48 PM
He's got Summer Ludwig's name on there....so what does it matter?!

Ron Paul = Waste of a vote

Go ahead and preach to me how the veterans are supporting him or the active military supports him.  Blah, blah, blah...he's still wasting the money you idiots donated to him on a worthless presidential campaign that he refuses to concede.  What a complete waste of time and money!
posted by freebirdforever on Mar 3, 2008 at 03:59 PM
Ron Paul IS the only person in the campaign with the integrity and intelligence to turn our country around by getting us back to what this country was built upon.  The Constitution.   Try coming up with 10 reasons we should vote for any of the other candidates.
posted by al on Mar 3, 2008 at 03:51 PM
Wow!  You've convinced me.  I'm voting for Ron Paul!  You make a great case.
posted by Mike on Mar 3, 2008 at 03:47 PM

While I agree Ron Paul is not a good representative for the 14th Congressional District, he is just one among 535 elected representatives. His ideas and proposals have never and never will be implement.  He is a harmless Doctor No.

 

His opponent is no better.
posted by jmhenderson on Mar 3, 2008 at 03:40 PM

So in other words, your saying because he supports what the Constitution/Bill of Rights says (seperation of church and state, right to own and bear arms, non-intervention in foreign affairs, etc), you say he is not electible. Because he wants competition in the markets/schools you say he is not electible (I might be wrong but I always thought competition improved things usually at lower costs and an improved product), because he supports a sound currency that is not printed out of thin air and he returns money to the government  you say he is not electible. Because he wants to leave it to the individual state's on allowing same sex marriage, you say he is not electable. Because he supports supplying our needs from our own shores by getting our own oil, minerals, etc from our country (instead of getting them from another country and screwing up that countries enviroment) you say he is unelectable. My personal opinion is what we are doing now is not working, we are a country of importing and consuming. Maybe its time we went back to what did work before the government got involved in every aspect of our lives and elect Ron Paul,

posted by ToniAnne on Mar 3, 2008 at 02:52 PM

You said: "After extensive research I have compiled a list of 10 reasons NOT to vote for Ron Paul!"

First - did you compile this list or Summer Ludwig?

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