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Gay is Morally WRONG!
yeah, just as much as slavery is morally right. 22 comments from 5 users
posted by
freethinker
on Jun 24, 2008 at 07:39 PM
But how is it to your credit if you recieve a beatiing for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. (1 Peter-20,NIV) posted by
freethinker
on Jun 24, 2008 at 07:37 PM
For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain or unjust suffering becaue he is conscious of God. (1 Peter,19,NIV) posted by
freethinker
on Jun 24, 2008 at 07:35 PM
What did Jesus say about slavery? He certainly didn't speak out against one of the worse abominations of mankind. 18 Slaves, submit yourself to your masters,with all respect,not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those that are harsh. (1 Peter,18,NIV) posted by
freethinker
on Jun 24, 2008 at 07:22 PM
Big J, it says in the bible that a master can beat his slaves. What are you talking about? There is not half-truth to that statement. Jesus could have spoke out against the horrible institution of slavery but he didn't. I don't care what a person did but slavery is flat out wrong. posted by
maryann
on Jun 23, 2008 at 06:55 PM
Hello Big J, Pretty cool explanations of free will for someone who's not necesarily "religious".... I apologize for saying that you seemed to be anti-Christian. I think we just have strong points of view. Since we're talking the Bible, it says that not a sparrow falls the ground without God knowing it, and that all of the hairs of our head are numbered. Now, one can take that literally or not, but I do think Jesus was trying to let us know that God is aware of what's going on. Nice examples of eating the fruit in the Garden and Cain killing Abel. I agree that this is free will at work, and but I see this as God is allowing these things to happen. He could have intervened, as He has done in some examples- like knocking Paul off of his "***," striking him blind for three days so he has a conversion. He jcould have left Paul to continue in his free will to persecute Christians, but God knew that Paul would respond to his grace and become a great Apostle. God's knowing it isn't the same as causing it. Have a good day. I'd love to jump in more these days, but la familia calls. Looks like you're doing fine as it is.
posted by
BIGJ
on Jun 23, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Freethinker, you are stating a half-truth. It is also said in the bible, that masters must also treat their slaves well. Second, you need to know that there was some words that were lost in translation. Some slaves were really prisoners and/or servants. Third, You also are not counting Jesus’s actions against slavery. You are only focusing on what he’s saying and not his actions. Actions speak louder than words, freethinker. Maryann, I think some things happen without God’s action. Free will governs in a man’s heart. He or she could commit a crime or a sin. It doesn’t mean there is something greater or powerful than God. One of God’s first order is that He granted mankind with freewill. He never taken away freewill. I do not think He allow Cain to kill Able or Adam and Eve to eat the fruit of life. God allows us to choose, but he also steps in when we get too far from the reservation. posted by
latindaddy07
on Jun 23, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Haha, so you are telling ME, that I am 'lying" "crying" and "cherry picking" well, even if I were LYING (which I'm not because they are opinions), I DOUBT IM CRYING, look guy, I don't know you and the more you keep telling me this, the more I laugh! And as for "cherry-picking!?" LOLOLOLOL! I'm dying inside trying to figure out upon how suggesting a new and perhaps legitimate study was done trying to explain new theories for (and against, mind you) HOMOSEXUALITY, It's cherry picking, or the fact that I use bible situations and text to further pander my love for the gays and how it proves TO ME that being gay is not wrong, or immoral or whatever. Just the fact that you think you know what I said and why I said it doesn't mean you know the order of my explanations, I might not have been talking to you when I wrote some of those comments because LIKE YOU SAID, we are different, to some people I have to explain things differently! LOL! I really hope this is the end of this conversation, because I'm really tired of all this back and forth back and forth. I'll live my gay ol' life, and you can live yours. =P
posted by
maryann
on Jun 23, 2008 at 09:16 AM
Yep, BJ, you and I have disagreed majorly in the past, but I do agree with some great points you're making. I've thought about the tension between free will and God's providence some. Evil came about in the world because of our free will- ya' can't MAKE someone love you, or it wouldn't really be love, so God has given us the free will to choose to love him and obey, or not. Anyway, for something to happen in this world, God has either caused it or let it happen, yes? If something happened that God didn't allow, then that would mean that that thing is greater and more powerful than God. God doesn't cause evil, but I think that he does let it happen. In His own time, he can bring good out of great evil, such as He did with the crucifixion of Jesus. He brought about the greatest good from the greatest evil.
posted by
freethinker
on Jun 23, 2008 at 06:48 AM
Well slavery is immoral and if a person does not think so that says something about their character. And Jesus could have condemed slaevery but he didn't. He said it was ok to beat your slaves and that it was ok to punish slaves even if they did not know they did anything wrong. The bible also says that slaves should serve their master as sincerly as they would serve Christ! That's all in the bible!!! That is not good moral advice I don't care who said it.
posted by
BIGJ
on Jun 23, 2008 at 03:51 AM
Stop with the technical crap, Latin. When I said for you to be a man. That’s mean that you need to suck it up and accept that you have lie about the research given to me. That’s what I mean by being a man. Don’t use that as a weak and stupid defense suggesting anti-gay language. Let me list down three of your lies. 1) You said this “I haven't judged anyone on this forum.” Ok …. How come in the past two days you posted words like “Gay hating folks in victoria” , “gay haters”, and “bible thumpers” Look it up, Latin. You are full of it. 2) You said this: “I could care less whether people care if I'm gay or not” Ok Then why write a thousand blog about those so-called gay haters 3) You said this: “and as for acusing me of playing victim, WHOA” but then in the same sentence you said this “last time I checked it's ME against MOSTLY EVERYONE ELSE on this forum.” Me against the world Boowho Cry me river, son. Be a man and grow up. There are gay people who are not whining, lying, and complaining like you are. It is a side issue based on how relevant of the misinformation you created. The research you gather is bias. Since you said this, “don't make opinions about it, if you know nothing about what you are saying”. I do know what I am talking about because in college I did research those researchers. I have known when, where, and how the research being made. Your research is bias and it like many other liberal or conservative bias research such be toss into the trash can. I know what I am talking about you don’t know me. Less lying on paper, more leaves on trees. Should be the motto. Here is your statement: I can't think of any reason as to why you would continue to bombard me with such agitated remarks. Hey it is called lying and send out misinformation. That’s the reason, Latin. If you given us non bias research and stop lying and crying, I wouldn’t be sending you those agitated remarks.
Finally, the cherry picking question. You have cherry pick events in history and in the Bible for your gain. You use slavery in Bible for your gain. In the past forums and now on here, I told you again over the reasons of slavery in the Bible. You however did not look up yet continue to use that stupid argument after Mary ann, others, and even myself told you.
. posted by
latindaddy07
on Jun 23, 2008 at 01:58 AM
Look BIGJ, I don't want to rack up some "points" on here, that's irrelevant. When did I say you hated gays or hated me for being gay for that matter? I think you really need to chill out. I could care less whether people care if I'm gay or not, you are right, it's not about ME personally. It's about the issue at hand, which is gay rights, and equality for all. That's all I have ever truly promoted, that research I posted yeah it's pretty left field but if you refuse to logically think about it, don't make opinions about it, if you know nothing about what you are saying. what am I cherrypicking? exactly, explain to me what I'm not stating that hasn't been stated before, that I could have overlooked. and as for acusing me of playing victim, WHOA!!!!!! last time I checked it's ME against MOSTLY EVERYONE ELSE on this forum. But I guess that's not relevant in your mind.... I have put myself in your shoes, in a general sense, and I can't think of any reason as to why you would continue to bombard me with such agitated remarks, when really I could care less. Isn't it a waste of time? And why conclude in your mind that because I am "cherry-picking" and "lying" and "playing victim" and "whining" that I'm less of a man than you are? I have a penis, and I'm not an idiot sir. It's that double standard at work again, like before, I'm less of a man because you want to pin point that off of some stupid issue that we are never going to agree on, which is YOUR judgements. I haven't judged anyone on this forum. But you seem to be the only one. Take those things that you said about me, and take them to the mirror, the only reason why people judge others is because they have a problem with themselves. I called you a liar and I have a damn good reason to back it up. In a logical sense, in an emotional sense, hell even a psychological sense, we are ALL ALIKE. I have feelings, you have feelings, we are all human, GET OVER IT! I'm not trying to seem "better" than anyone else, and coming from a "man" I'd say you are just about leaving 3rd grade with that comment. But still I do not judge, I would rather explain myself than just call you names like a kindergartener would. So, basicallly I never said you hated me or gay people simply because we were gay, but in your words "I am sick and tried of people lying here. You are the biggest ones on here. I am not targeting you because you are gay, that’s a side issue. I am targeting you for lying and accusing me hating you for your homosexuality . I do not hate you for your homosexuality." How can you say "that's a side issue" implying it's a partial reason as to why you are targeting me and then say "i do not hate you for your homosexuality" in the same sentence phrase, and yet don't appreciate being called a liar, you may not lie all the time, but you have lied twice already. If you want to get technical I can say you were being hypocritical, but that's a much more complicated word. posted by
BIGJ
on Jun 23, 2008 at 12:53 AM
LatinDaddy, stop acting like that I am better then you. I am not better than anyone else. My life, your life, and the lives of others are different. You strongly lack understanding in my statement. You cast me as some bible trumper who puts himself on a pedestal. I got news for you, Latin daddy. You are the one on the pedestal here. Every person on this planet is different, not better nor worse but different. NO TWO PEOPLE ARE ALIKE. The few of the things you and I share are location, time, space, events and a piece land I call a grave. I have experiences that you do not have. You have experiences what I do not have. That is what I am talking about. Let me say this again NO TWO PEOPLE ARE ALIKE. If I were the same as you, would I be backing you up and praising every lie and misinformation you spew? For example. I am not Michael Jordan. He is different from me because he has talent in the basketball court. I am not Warren Buffet. I am not old, rich, white, and have major respect in the financial world. Get the point? Playing that BS pedestal mess on me gets you no points. It is best for you stop making this into a personal issue. Its not about you. But you calling me a lair does help make things become personal. I am sick and tried of people lying here. You are the biggest ones on here. I am not targeting you because you are gay, that’s a side issue. I am targeting you for lying and accusing me hating you for your homosexuality . I do not hate you for your homosexuality. I can give two rat’s butts if you are gay. But I do dislike you for your lying, whining, crying, and cherry picking. You know what, I guess you will ignore everything and still suggest I hate homosexuals. Maryann, you and I have heated discussions in the past. I disagree with you, that nothing happens without God’s will. You forgot that free will plays a part. I am not a religious person, but I was raise in a Protestant church. I did study history in college. I do see trends in life. What shocked me that those trends are similar to the end times stories in the Bible. Yet, you have people like Josh aka latin and those in the media can’t or won’t see it. Telling me just to accept this and that goes against those wishes and orders of things.
Last message to Latin, STOP PLAYING VICTIM, get off of your pedestal and be a man. posted by
latindaddy07
on Jun 22, 2008 at 11:41 PM
BIGJ you aren't like anyone else? is that what you just stated, if so, you are a LIAR. we all go throught the same issues and same problems, we all have the same psychological needs, wants and situations. Get off your pedestal! Jesus H. Christ!
posted by
maryann
on Jun 22, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Great point Big J about God letting the Israelites fall into slavery because of their sins against him- mainly idolatry. It wasn't an accident for this to happen. Nothing happens without God allowing it or his ordaining it. That includes all the floods Big J talks about, the babies born with defects, etc. This is a fallen world, and we fell from grace a long time ago. I don't think that being homosexual is morally wrong, it's the acting out, or the choice of homosexual acts that are wrong. LD, if someone does say that being a homosexual is wrong, then you have a legitimate issue, but I do believe that a good deal of the knowledgeable "bible thumpers" differentiate between having homosexual tendencies and acting out on them. Just because we disagree with actions doesn't mean we hate a group of people. posted by
BIGJ
on Jun 22, 2008 at 09:00 PM
Latin, You are Full of it. You are cherrypicking because all of the research you gather have a BIAS to it. A bias research is not a research at all. Rubbish? You say. God did punish nations because their sins. He allow the Presians aka Iran to conquer old Isreal. Those jews and citizens of Isreal were place into slavery for their collective sins. That also occur with the Romans. You are on the computer. You look it up? I challegnge you it up. I am not going to waste me time to search everything for you because you have an attention problem. |
