Roy, I think you do a great job at pointing out the liberal contradictions. BTW, I realize there are a few "conservative contradictions" too. Too bad liberal isn't such a good word any more, as historically it was a noble one.

Anyway, I think you might be off the "mark" on Mike believing in the inerrancy of the Democratic Party. I do believe that Mike would admit errors of the party, if he saw them as errors. He does admit he's wrong here, without being prodded. I've seen it, and humility great virtue in today's world.

 I would think that would carry over to admiting that one's party is wrong as well.  Perhaps he's done this and you haven't seen it.

Anyway, have a good day.

Mike has never claimed to be open-minded, in point of fact he is proudly closed-minded and well tell that to any and everyone.

It was right after he posted as much in an open forum and I made my opinion known that if he is so closed minded, then his arguments are automatically irrelevant. and that all he can do is attack any who would disagree with his closed-minded view. furthermore I predicted that he would call me a closed-minded right winger and attack me for making my opinion known.

And surprise surprise that is exactly what he did. went on the attack told me I was butting in on and open forum mind you. and yes, he called me a closed minded right winger.

Maryann I saw Mike over on your blog and I sooo wanted to say something but out of respect for you I did not. I am sure I am one of the 3 that Mike calls trolls. and blocks . I have never been and nor will I ever troll. I do as you wanted to do with your latest blog. and that is to intelligently debate Obama. Intelligent debate and Liberal are oxymoron's. they don't go together it seems.  I also noted that Mike never once did anything as your blog wanted. a debate from Dems over Obama. All Mike could do was espouse on "trolls" etc.. and about he deletes certain people posts. Basically he will delete anyone he can and anyone means anyone who will not agree to his view of things. That is the pure definition of closed-mindedness that Mike loves. I bet if Mike DID have the power of advocate moderator over the open forums this site would be so lively you could hear crickets chirping

Funny. Mike and others claim to want intelligent debate yet when anyone dose debate them. they start makign personal attacks, calling us names, attacking our credibility, MMKO just called everyone who disagrees with Obama for Pres, a child.  Whenever I have tried to engage them in intelligent dfebate over the facts I have been accused of attacking them and then they turn around and attack me. go figure.

Hello Sailor,

Your point is well taken that if someone states he is close-minded, then their debate is pointless.  I don't know what is going on with you guys. Guess I need to read a little bit.

I can see where deleting some posts is sometimes needed. I can imagine being harrassed by a.... anti-Catholic, Czech-hating, whatever. I think that option should be available.

BUT, and this is a big but.... I think that if someone is discussing issues and not doing so with name-calling, hate-mongering, etc. then let the facts, logic, the good debate roll.  The problem is that one person's defensive nature might see discussing facts as dangerous.

I don't think we should ever be afraid of facts, even when they hurt us. There's got to be an explanation or a changing of ways to amend the things that are wrong. That's why I think Mike will debate on facts.

One thing I try not to do is shut someone out permanently here., as in not giving them a second chance. We all have a touch of the schmuck in us. certainly yours truly  I always hope there is room for improvement and change.

Happy sailing.

Wow, you two guys are so open--minded, and never resort to name calling.  You guys would never generalize.............And of course you both vote for the man running, not the party, always voting for members of both parties.  (I do, but that's me)  There is enough hypocrisy to go around for both parties.  Let the one without sin cast............You get the idea.  Oh, yea--try spell check, it is a wonderful invention....

openminded mike

mike has stated several times that the only judgement he uses in determining who to vote for is IS THE PERSON  RUNNING AS A DEMOCRAT?

proudly closed-minded and well tell that to any and everyone.

Intelligent debate and Liberal are oxymoron's. they don't go together it seems.  (one of my favorites, cause--it makes no sense, I know what the thought was, but really)

Funny. Mike and others claim to want intelligent debate yet when anyone dose debate them. they start makign personal attacks, calling us names, attacking our credibility,

 ETAL DEMS CAN"T LIE RIGHT?

Generalizations are often good Ragman. As in I like MOST pizza, but not all. Now, negative generalizations, more often called stereotypes, are not cool.

As far as name calling, are you saying that you've never engaged in that?  I just heard some glass shattering!

  I agree, as a registered Democrat, to your generalization that there is enough hypocrisy for both parties. That's why I vote for the person and his issues. Voted Democrat in the last election, too. Love that county commissioner!

BY THEIR WORDS YE SHALL KNOW THEM

mike wrote while not busy deleting others from his blog”Perhaps I should've said that I can understand why those on the right do the same when it comes to Al Franken, Rachel Maddow or Dusty Rhodes. mike also has quoted Bill Maher in the past. Bill probably hit bottom when he called the Pope a Nazi and made sexual jokes about him and the communion

Maher : why I’d like to tip off law enforcement to an even larger child-abusing religious cult. Its leader also has a compound, and this guy not only operates outside the bounds of the law, but he used to be a Nazi and he wears funny hats. That’s right, the Pope is coming to America this week and ladies, he’s single!" At the "funny hat" line, Maher displayed a picture of Pope Benedict wearing a wide-brimmed hat called a saturno

Maher has a long record of mocking religion in general and the Catholic Church in particular. A few months earlier in January 2008, Maher mocked Catholics’ belief concerning the Eucharist and called Jesus a "2,000 year-old space god." In May 2007, he compared the sacrament to gay oral sex. And in April 2007, he joked about President Bush attending the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast and how "you could tell this was a Catholic prayer breakfast because [Maher laughs] it was in the morning and he said 'I'm dying for a little joe' and they brought him an altar boy."

MMKO blogged You may also like the following blogs that I have on live feed:  Democratic Strategist, Talking Points Memo, I bet he does Wow! I am shocked I tell you shocked. that he would have a blog such as that on live feed

Roy Mark

TO THE STRAIGHT PARTY VOTING DEMS WE THANK YOU

Matter of fact as unbelievable as it may seem mike and I voted for the same candidate. since mike boasts that he always vote the straight dem ticket I asked him if he knew he was voting for Ken Armbrister also. mike replied that although Ken was no better than a Republican and voted more like a Republican than Democrat he still pulled the party lever. I voted for Ken also because I like what he stood for, like the way he help redistrict Texas and stayed in Austin instead of running like rabbits and hiding out. mike voted for Ken because he on the Democrat ticket. So mike and the other "Straight Party" loyalist help elect a man who had a big hand in the redistricting job that help the Republicans elect even more of their own. Passeth beyond all understanding.

Roy

SCOREBOARD MIKE

mike posted 

The trolls are supporting their extreme right political agenda ,and not the views of Victoria...IMO

IMO and In your dreams. The polls that really count you know the election ones that count have shown in  recent years that the majority by vote count do support more Republican candidates than Democrats. The left wing Dems have elected bupkus

I can just feature what a blog with  Democratic Strategist, Talking Points Memo, on it will be. Never mind going over there The talking points will be on here on mike or some other LW blog.

Me name call? Get personal...I don't think so, but I could be wrong; unlike a lot of folks who are never wrong!!   The truth is I didn't write a blog complaining about others, while doing the same thing they are accused of.  That's all.  County Commissioner don't count.  Armbrister is a sheep and a joke.........He's a public figure, I can call him names.......I would put an LOL here, but some don't get it.

Bill Mahr was a Catholic.

Ragman, when you rag on others for calling names, and then do so yourself (Armbrister is a sheep and joke), that's called a  hy-po-crite.

You didn't see the blog complaining and flaming those who DARED ask a question about Obama because it was DELETED by the Obama supporter.  Me complain? Not on my blog.  I LIKE discussions, you should visit my blog sometime. Sure, I can skip the personal attacks, as I like to work with facts.

Hitler was a Catholic too. He left the Church early in his adulthood because his views differed from that of Christ's teachings. Perhaps Bill Maher has the same problem.

Are you registered to vote?????

When I registered back in 1980, I chose "Democratic" as my affiliation. AND, county commissioners DO count, as every elected office does.

BETTER TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND BE THOUGHT A FOOL THAN OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND PROVE IT

ragman asks the question that proves he has never voted in  Texas.

He asks Where do you REGISTER as a Democrat?

I am not surprised that he has to ask because There is no registration by party in Texas. If a person wishes to vote in a party primary just go to their poll and vote. Your voter registration will be stamped that you voted in the Democrat primary. All that means is that you can not vote in a Republican run off.

In the GENERAL Election in the fall you can vote for who ever you choose. of what ever party Armbrister was running in an election for State Senator from this area. Ken was a major player in the redistricting of Texas which allowed many more Republicans to be elected

ragman also posted why I have no idea

Bill Mahr was a Catholic. Big deal so was Hitler and Mussolini

FREE SPEECH WE DON’ WANT NO STINKIN FREE SPEECH

Talk about lying. the democrat party en masse have broken all records in the history of the world for telling whoppers. From their denial of having the same intelligence as the president and voting for the Iraq invasion, to Hillary's Bosnia sniper fire, to Obama's claim of innocence about his crazy anti-American preacher, these clowns are so far out as to be unreal. God help us if they claim the Executive branch as well as congress. The horrible Jimmy Carter years might seem like good times as compared

Liberals do NOT want citizens to judge the worthiness of Obama to be POTUS, by his associations, those who are drawn to him, those who endorse him, by his words.
He has never accomplished anything.
How do you talk issues with someone who ducks and dodges with platitudes and vagueness?
All we are left to judge him is by his associations and his minimal straight left record.

We are to judge his worthiness by what? ? ?

I don't know if the media endorsements mean anything these days. The favorable coverage that they give to their anointed one goes a lot further. In picking and choosing which stories to promote and how prominently they are featured the media has a lot of sway in public opinion. They no longer enjoy the stranglehold that they once did, hence the libs' absolute hate of Fox news. They think that free speech is great as long as it is of their leftist variety and they will brook no competing ideas.

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