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texson1986 - > -> Using Torture to Save Lives: Do the Ends Justify the Means?
Using Torture to Save Lives: Do the Ends Justify the Means?
CNN posted a story about an ex-C.I.A. agent who claimed that information received after waterboarding al Qaeda suspect Abu Zubayda saved lives. While former C.I.A. operative John Kiriakou does eventually condemn waterboarding as a practice that he doesn’t support, this is an argument that I hear frequently to justify the use of torture. I guess the real question comes down to whether or not there is anything more valuable than human life.

I think historically speaking, this nation has affirmed that there is one thing worth dying for: liberty. Throughout our nation’s history, we fought and died to preserve human rights and civil liberties. The Korean War Memorial in Washington D.C. reads: “Freedom isn’t free.” We’ve shown time and time again that a life without human rights is not a life that we are willing to live. It’s what makes this country great.

However, we seem to be forgetting this. Our government and media have us in a death-grip of fear. Our commander-in-chief warns about the World War III that can only be prevented by attacking a country that shut down their nuclear weapons program four years ago. The news is scarier than any horror movie I’ve seen in years. In this culture of fear, it’s easy to slowly give up our rights and liberties in the name of security. We let Congress take away habeas corpus because our fearless leader says it’s in our best interest. We let the President have his Patriot Act and let him illegally listen to our phone calls. After all, if we don’t, the terrorists will get us.

Now we’re violating some of the most basic of human rights that have been formally established since the Geneva Conventions after World War II. We’re using torture methods used during the Spanish Inquisition. While the information we obtain from this may or may not allow us to save a few lives, at what cost does it come? We’ve violated the core principles of human rights.

I’m not against saving lives, I’m really not. But if we allow the ends to justify the means, where are we going to draw the line? If waterboarding is allowed because it saves lives, how about other forms of torture? Would dismemberment be fine if it saved lives? How about raping children? It may have happened at Abu Ghraib:

The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror.

Hey, it’s okay though. I mean, it was all in the name of getting information!

The boy and the girl were then used to terrify their also arrested parents who were willing to cooperate after seeing their children terrified by the guards/military personnel.

I don’t know about all of you, but I’d rather die than be a part of an institution that rapes children. We need to remember that our country has always stood for something greater than simply life. For over two centuries, Americans have fought and died to preserve human rights. To me, that’s more important than life itself.

Long live the Republic,
Tex

 
 
 
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posted by texson1986 on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 at 12:40 PM
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posted by Pythagoras on Dec 17, 2007 at 12:10 AM

Being a Soldier, I have avery hard time believing that US troops raped and sodomized children. A VERY HARD TIME. I have a very easy time believing that BUSH haters produce stories to sway public opinion. Having been to Iraq I know for a fact that CNN sensationalizes their news to the point of being entertainment and not news. I am not saying it's impossible given the caliber of troop residing at Abu Ghraib but I am saying its VERY unlikely that this was done by US troops or done at all.

As for Water boarding...give me a break. That is such a mild form of interogation that it's almost commical that people focus on it so much. Maybe we should resort to the Islamic Arabian ways of interogation; sawing the head off of the guy next to you. That seems to work pretty well. I would suggest to those who want answers regarding torture, interogation or war in general to join and armed service and serve a term with at least one trip to Iraq or Afghanistan. It will enlighten you. I must warn you though, once you are enlightend you will feel very disheartened when those who have not served make comments regading subjects they know nothing about. (See Congress)

Keep up the good work! I love reading your post!

 

posted by Mike on Dec 12, 2007 at 01:26 PM

I hear you Harold and that’s putting it mildly.  At the outset of this war, we rounded up Iraqis at random, and at least 73% of those that went to harsh interrogation were innocent.  According to Tom Ricks, in his book “ Fiasco”.  These were the people that joined up with Al Qaeda, and the insurgents.  Thank God, General Petraeus is a winning back the hearts and minds of these people.

We have a president that ignores Congress, with 1100 signed statements saying that he could bypass the very laws Congress passed.

 

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