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Mon Oct 29, 2007 03:19:46 CDT
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Tue Oct 30, 2007 22:12:24 CDT
Quit the bickering. Neither of you know innocence or guilt. We know he has been accused and there was enough evidence to charge him. He will go to trial. Their will be a judgment and in the end one of you will still believe in innocence and the other guilt regardless of what the jury decides. This horse has been drug to death. There is no sense in arguing over something that you will not agree on. Agree to disagree! Sureursmart- I hope you were not comparing Ratcliff to Jesus.
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:59:49 CDT
Justice for all means just that. Justice means hearing both sides of the story before deciding guilt or innocense. You have already decided he's guilty. I want to hear both sides before deciding. Is that so wrong?
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:56:47 CDT
Anything can happen here. We're not that small anymore, darn it.
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:56:30 CDT
why do you call yourself "justiceforall"? you meant justiceforall that only you believe in. i will see you there when the day goes down that he is found GUILTY in a court of law, let's just hope the punishment fits the crime!
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:54:12 CDT
respected by his peers that didn't want to believe that anything was ever wrong or were afraid to speak out. victoria is still Smalltown, USA, where no one believes this will ever happen here.
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:52:46 CDT
Strawberry: It'll all come out in court. I plan to be there to support Mr. Ratcliff.
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:50:03 CDT
Strawberry: Respected by his peers! That was in yesterday's paper. What do you mean evil?
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:49:43 CDT
justiceforall...nothing is wrong with the Bible in the right hands just ask Mikey or sureursmart.
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:47:17 CDT
Strawberry: What's wrong with the Bible? Judge not lest ye be judged!
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:42:42 CDT
sureursmart...where did you go? to try to find something else in your bible?
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:39:27 CDT
MY ANSWER WAS YES TO IF I KNOW HIM.....
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:38:52 CDT
YES, I KNOW EVIL!!!
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:38:50 CDT
Strawberry: If you are with the DPS,FBI etc, you shouldn't admit that or you could probably get in trouble. Then we'd have to come get you out of jail.
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:37:26 CDT
YES!!!!!
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:36:29 CDT
justiceforall....and if i was, well i would certainly tell you now wouldn't I?
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:36:22 CDT
Strawberry: Do you really know him?
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:35:14 CDT
justiceforall...do you really KNOW him?
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:34:39 CDT
Strawberry: How do you know what the truth is? Are you with the FBI, DPS?
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:32:06 CDT
Strawberry: You addressed the "pals" comment to sureursmart not me. What do you mean by "patsies?" What is the truth? Tell us? Don't cover it up?
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:28:38 CDT
justiceforall...actually what i meant was are you one of his little "patsies"? Ratcliff seems to have so many!! don't go getting angry at me, i just know the truth....
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:25:47 CDT
Strawberry: What are you insinuating by your "pals" comment? That he might be gay? YOu don't even know him now do you? See how things get started and you started it.
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:20:03 CDT
sureursmart...you and Mikey go to the same church or what? are you one of his little "pals"?
Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:17:13 CDT
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!" Tue Oct 30, 2007 00:58:21 CDT
Strawberry: We all answer to God on Judgement Day, but you won't be at anyone's but your own.
Tue Oct 30, 2007 00:54:35 CDT
sureursmart...i do believe in good and evil and I have seen evil in your comments, just as I have seen evil in Ratcliff's eye. i know right from wrong, do you? i think not. for you to even say and write the things you do, i want to be there on your judgement day, may God forgive you.
Tue Oct 30, 2007 00:49:53 CDT
Pilate therefore went out unto them and said, What accusation bring ye against this man? They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee… They are of the truth who judge righteously. Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not, how many things they witness against thee?
I find no fault in this man.
And Pilate said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people, and behold I have examined him before you, and have found no fault in this man touching those things: whereof ye accuse him. No, nor yet Herod, for I sent you to him, and lo nothing worthy of death was found in him.
Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Teryn. Now Teryn was a robber. And, for sedition made in the city, and for murder, was cast into prison.
Pilate said unto them, What then shall I do with HIM ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
27. And the Governor said, Why what evil hath he done? But they cried out all the more saying, Crucify him, crucify him.
28. Pilate therefore went forth again and said unto him, Behold, again, I bring him forth to you, that ye may know that I find no fault in him, and again they cried out, Crucify him, crucify him.
29. And Pilate said unto them, the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go.
30. And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed.
31. When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
32. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us and on our children. And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required. And he delivered Jesus to their will.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 23:35:01 CDT
Lets get something done about this. Please send links to some of these articles about this amazing foul up in the legal system to these national news organizations to raise awareness and hopefully get this mess fixed quicker. If we all do it at least a few of the producers will notice it.Dateline - Dateline@NBCUNI.com
20/20 - http://abcnews.go.com/Site/...
(select news story submission as the subject)
Mon Oct 29, 2007 23:25:59 CDT
sureursmart...For you to attack the victim in this case only shows how stupid some people can be. You're all about upholding the sheriff's great name and trying to redirect the focus to the down falls of a young abused person who at the time of his being victimized wasn't convicted for, involved in, or even part of anything felonious in nature! Maybe his seeing that laws didn't matter to even the people who are supposed to enforce them, his newly distorted views pushed him into a life of breaking the law. He was a kid for heaven's sake!
Mon Oct 29, 2007 22:58:04 CDT
Betty 007 - I sincerely hope that you or someone you love is never falsely accused of anything since you believe that any accusation should be considered the truth. Did you really think about what you said? There was recently a story in the paper about a man who served nine years in prison for rape of a minor....his stepdaughter, who was his accuser, came clean after nine years that she had made up the story because she wanted her mother and father to get back together. Such things do happen and probably more often than they should. I am for punishing the guilty but even when that is determined in a court of law, the system is far from flawless. Since the advent of the current DNA technology hundreds of prisoners have been released from prison who were there on rape convictions because the new DNA technology showed they were not guilty. Think about what you are advocating.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 17:14:16 CDT
Sureursmart I don't mean to be ugly but your are like a Republican still insisting that Bush is a good president!!You have a group here that is saying that they always thought something wasn't right with this man even before anything came out. Probably because something isn't right with him. Why is it so hard for you to believe that he could do something like this? I think when anyone is accused of molestation they are guilty until proven innocent because children are to innocent and precious to trust someone because we like him.
You don't want these people to say he is guilty of these charges because you like him or because he was a sheriff what ever it is doesn't mean anything. You wouldn't think a priest would, a boy scout leader, a teacher, a relative but they do. And these people are all a higher athority to a kid. And just because this boy sells drugs uses drugs doesn't mean it didn't happen to him. Don't be two faced. You can't get upset with them for thinking he is guilty when you believe this guy is a lier for who he is. It is possible he is who is because Radcliff really screwed him up.
The sad thing is that if he did do this he will probably just get a slap on the hand a few years in prison and serve a fraction of the time and be let go. And will probably do this to some other kids becuase sick people like this don't get better. They are sick for life and our kids are the ones that pay for it. They prove it each time our system lets out a sicko and then they go kidnap a little girl molest her and kill her when they should have nerver gotten out in the first place. These sick A holes would get more time for killing a dog then what they get for abusing our children.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 15:41:41 CDT
I have been watching this from afar for the past few days, and I can tell you for a fact, that the F.B.I. (San Antonio field office) was actually contacted on this matter over five years ago. There is more than just smoke in this instance!
Mon Oct 29, 2007 15:35:27 CDT
Well, Jake, all I can say is that your comments are those of someone who is either incredibly naïve or completely out of the loop where this former sheriff is concerned. There are those posting on this board who actually HAVE witnessed his stunning lack of moral character.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 15:24:43 CDT
pineywoods, tstorm5, justmyopinion31 and ravenmad ... AMEN!ravenmad, what an excellent post! The victim is a victim is a victim, no matter what. Three times victimized. Three times physically and emotionally V I O L A T E D ! Against his will and as a child! What IDIOT in their right mind can blame a child for being sexually molested?!
sureursmart, just go ahead and come out of the closet and admit that you are either Ratcliff or TYLER or someone other from the DA's office. You are outing yourself! Dummy! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to add things up! You only know, what you know, because of WHO U R!
Mon Oct 29, 2007 14:58:53 CDT
Qouted from sureursmartIf by chance at the end of the microscopic scrutiny sure to come a Newt Gingrich type affair or a Martha Stewart type misspeak comes forth will not change my support of Sheriff Ratcliff because no one is perfect, and if any of us were studied under a microscope I am sure crows feet and fine lines could be found as well .
They can study me under a microscope all they want, they will not find one episode of "pretending to be someone else online in order to lure a child out of his house". Yeah we all have our problems. I like to think these extra cirricular activities of Ratcliffs aren't the norm for society. Maybe you do, but I do not.
Please remember these post of yours and regardless of how this turns out, please come back (using the same alias) so we can discuss the evidence brought forth while this progresses.
Hey Advocate, let us know what we can expect in the upcoming weeks on this situation. Anyone else have any info on how this should progress???
Thanks all, this has been inteesting so far.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 14:30:25 CDT
So what were they investigating for 14 mos? Is there more going on here that we don't know about? How many more victims are there? And why was it covered up for 10 yrs?!!! Just too many questions for me. I guess when it starts to go to trial is when we'll get more details.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 14:23:22 CDT
And all of this smoke has been puffing up into the clouds by way of witnessed facts? or rumors?This all first started what about 10 years ago and it just came to be investigated 14 months ago? About 8.5 years later? I sure don't know but this sure leaves alot of questions in my mind.
I don't think anyone on this board knows any of the facts involved, I don't believe any of us have the right to cast judgement.I don't think anyone on here has the right to slander anyones name and hurt their families without the whole truth being known.This is about morals and respect.
According to the court every man and woman is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Once the truth is known by the the proper people let the chips fall where they may.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 13:34:21 CDT
PineyWoods posted - Mon Oct 29, 2007 09:04:55 CDTWhat is that old saying: "Where there's smoke, there's fire" well, apparently "smoke" has been around Ratcliff for a long time. We are just now seeing the "fire".
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I don't know how long you've been around Victoria, Jake, but for those who walked through the smoke that was the Ratcliff administration.....this fire has been a long time coming.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 13:13:25 CDT
Well, can you honestly look into your lil crystal ball and tell me that the man is 100% guilty?If so your on the wrong planet.
There can be many twists and unspoken truths involved.
Like i said before, i'm not taking up for anyone but it's wrong to convict a person before all of the facts are known.
Let the Justice system do it's job--hopefully everyone involved will seek and find the real truth.
The man hasn't gone to court yet--well except for a Post Trial where everyone has convicted a man on personnal opinion.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 13:04:05 CDT
Good grief, jake6342! Did you put any thought whatsoever into that post before you hit send? Do you seriously think that just because you’ve not seen “actual evidence” or “cold hard facts” that means no one else has either? Not the FBI? Not DPS? Do you seriously think that a “criminal” just walked in the door one day with these accusations and after 14 months of investigation, both the FBI and the DPS just said “Oh, why not? We’re not busy today…let’s take this to a Grand Jury and then grab a bite to eat?”
Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:52:49 CDT
Your (assuming) unless you were involved in the investigation. An assumption is only your opinion--not a fact.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:50:09 CDT
jake6342 Lets look at what we know. They have been investigating for 14 months. The FBI and DPS have been brought in. Steve Tyler says the transfer and access to jail residents has been changed. I find it hard to believe that this is based just on the word of one criminal.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:49:30 CDT
"on just a criminal's word"....Do you honestly think the FBI and DPS would have had a former law enforcement official indicted and arrested "on just a criminal's word"? With these folks involved I'm relatively certain there is a lot more in their bag of evidence than simply "just a criminal's word".
Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:34:35 CDT
I'm not sure what to think here.We have a criminal accussing an ex law official of a crime. I'm not sure who I would believe before seeing the actual evidence and the cold hard facts.
I'm not taking up for either one, all I would like is to know the true facts.
Lord help my soul if i'm ever accussed of a crime in Victoria County... I can't believe anyone would be accussed, tried and convicted on just a criminals word.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:27:32 CDT
Thank you kindly, pineywoods.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:57:03 CDT
Good post Ravenmad!
Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:41:16 CDT
Look, kids do stupid things all the time. Here’s a boy, on his 15th birthday…he goes online…meets a girl who says –hey, I’ll sneak out, if you will. What greets him, instead? A man…the highest law enforcement officer in Victoria…he has a gun….and it’s pointed this kid. Do you think this kids gonna cooperate? You better believe it! And, it’s also a pretty safe bet that the event ended with the customary threat of what would happen if the kid says anything. How would you cope? How do you think you child would cope? Don’t you hope your child would be smart enough not to do something so reckless in the first place? Sure you do. But what if he wasn’t? What if he did something really dumb and the result was that he was assaulted? Do you think he’d tell you? And, forget about the embarrassment of it…what if he was afraid for his life to tell you…or anyone, for that matter?
When you look at sexual violence, you have to look at it through the lens of trauma. Here is something that is being forced upon a person; this is not something they did on their own. As a result, there is a huge sense of betrayal and loss of control. Even under the best of circumstances, most parents do not teach their children a great deal about coping strategies, nor do they spend time teaching them how to get through the tough times in life. For a child – a teenager – dealing with trauma by using substances, makes sense and it works instantly.
Am I advocating substance abuse as a coping mechanism? No, of course I’m not. All I’m saying is that drug and alcohol problems are significantly correlated with childhood sexual abuse. Can you be so sure that you kid would not cope with the situation any differently? Maybe you’ve got great parenting skills and you could help them get through it. But what if you didn’t? What if your15-year old was left to figure out how to cope with something like this on his own?
And to sureursmart – dude, urNOTsosmart
Mon Oct 29, 2007 09:04:55 CDT
What is that old saying: "Where there's smoke, there's fire" well, apparently "smoke" has been around Ratcliff for a long time. We are just now seeing the "fire".
Mon Oct 29, 2007 09:04:12 CDT
COPIED:Comment From: justmyopinion31Mon Oct 29, 2007 True, he hasn't been found guilty,YET, but in my eyes he is.Am I quick to judge,I guess so but anyone that is even accused of touching a child is definitely far from perfect and will never have a second chance in my book.)This is what I have been saying. If he is even accused, he must have done something. I don't know if he is guilty, but like this poster said, he is in my eyes, and I surely don't want him around my kids.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 08:57:54 CDT
Goodness, of course no one is "Perfect" but this man is accused of molesting a child not only once not only twice but three times from what this article states.He posed as a female on-line to get this juvenile to leave with him and then tore him of his innocence. True, he hasn't been found guilty,YET, but in my eyes he is.Am I quick to judge,I guess so but anyone that is even accused of touching a child is definitely far from perfect and will never have a second chance in my book.Me giving a offender a Second chance for a crime like this would only be setting myself and the children of this world up for failure.There is a reason that Ratcliff has been charged with these crimes and I hope he gets what he deserves.What people don't realize is Ratcliff is not a victim not only is that child a victim but us citizens have been lied to as well and should not be feeling sorry for this sick man.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 08:51:29 CDT
Of course >"no one is perfect,"< but performing oral sex on a minor while threatening the child with a gun, is more than a bit beyond "somewhat imperfect" or >"crows feet and fine lines"<!
One wonders what sureursmart defines as a "bad" act.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 08:28:04 CDT
SOMEONE FROM THE DA's OFFICE, alias sureursmart ... you have given yourself away. I will say a couple of Hail Mary's and a special Novena for you.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 03:20:15 CDT
As this matter proceeds, persons of good will and good sense will see that there is no substance to these allegations. What has become of the notion of consider the source ? We have a convicted criminal who not only sales drugs for the consumption of children and addicts, but has the sophistication to manufacture these complex chemicals. Hardly , the infant is swaddling cloths, against a person who has a tireless track record of public service. No body really likes the vice principle but they are necessary to maintain good order and discipline, so the many nay Sayers of Ratcliff usually are persons who required his correction. My hope is that this matter end swiftly with an airing of the pertinent facts which will most likely have at bump here and there but once analysis will surely lack substance and lead to vindication. If by chance at the end of the microscopic scrutiny sure to come a Newt Gingrich type affair or a Martha Stewart type misspeak comes forth will not change my support of Sheriff Ratcliff because no one is perfect, and if any of us were studied under a microscope I am sure crows feet and fine lines could be found as well .