Standoff ends in arrest of 3 men
Standoff ends in arrest of 3 men
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 01:31:31 CST
Well VBB...I only wished I could shut Themis up but the one thing that ever abounds in the world is ignorance and the desire or the ignorant to share it with the world. Themis your song was kind of warm and fuzzy...like the old Coca Cola commercials...you are indeed so talented.Justmyopinion, apparently you know some of the kids or their families, and while I don't doubt that the parents that you have mentioned have done what they could when it comes to keeping their children out of trouble, there is also no question on the fact that whatever they have done so far...has not and is not working. I do not know these kids or their families and I do not want to jump on these parents like I did on emptypockets without knowing the entire scope of things, however unless they get serious, understand and accept that these kids are headed for bigger problems that could alter their futures in the worst way and seek whatever help they can in the fight to reclaim their children...the odds of these kids ending up in a gang or worse is very real. Children that are in their early teens are easy pickings for peer pressures and those looking to corrupt them. This is the time when they are developing their own personalities and place in the world around them, these are the years they need the most supervision and strong role models and friends. Emptypockets knows this and is working hard to fight for his son. If I could give any advice from my experiences as a parent, teacher, and working with youth, it would be that parents need to be real when it comes to your kids...they are kids and they will sneek, lie, and play on your sympathy if they find it advantageous for them...don't be fooled. Keep your kids in school, no matter what it takes. School keeps up with kids, and encourage them to be in a club, organization, sports, or extra activities in school. This gives them the chance to bond with kids that are headed in positive directions, keeps them working on their education (pass to play), gives them the opportunity to shine and be proud of themselves, and it keeps them busy. Support your children and get involved with them in something you both enjoy, this helps you to bond with them as something besides a parent, but don't forget you are a parent. The cost is a little extra of your time and attention...the payoff...a lifetime of joy with your child or children and grandchildren. Being a parent is hard,involved, and exhausting, especially if you are a single parent, but it is possible if you want it bad enough. I wish a lot of luck to these families and these kids...I hope that everything comes out good and wonderful for them all in the future.
Sun Dec 16, 2007 22:41:22 CST
Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:24:42 CST
Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:01:08 CST
i don't know about the mother but I do know this was gang related & that the individuals involved (all of them including the ones not arrested) are involved in a gang ( the one ifusayso mentioned).
Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:54:05 CST
I am simply stating that what ifusayso said about the Mother was incorrect.Yes,there are gangs here but these teens are not in a gang.The mistakes they made they did on there own,the Mother tried her best just like this 13 year olds father stated that he did his best as well.Know harm intended.
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Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:38:51 CST
justmyopinion - don't mislead the public....it was gang members.....ifyousayso is correct.
Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:01:04 CST
ifusayso wrote: "Empty Pockets...Get your son a way from the boys that were arrested...(ASAP)
Your son is just being set up for failure by these wanna be "gang members"...(They use the younger ones like your son to do there dirty work)
Think they call there selves 43 crips or how they may say it "4 Tre'"...(it's a cool gang,you don't even have to be jumped in to be in it,wow...)
These older boys that were arrested haven't been to school in years and have been in and out of the system for a long time now...The sad thing about it is that the parents of these kids have been in trouble and to prison all these kids lives and one is still in prison for the same type of charges...(The Mother at that!...way to go MOM)
The people that rented this nasty apartment building out rents to anyone that has a pocket full of money...It's been a well known dope house (four plex) ever since I was little and that was over 35 years ago...
Funny thing is the person that called the police was a female neighbor that one of the boys use to date...go figure...
Don't give up..."
ifusayso,I understand that you "act" as if you know everything about these teens situations but YOU DON'T.I got on My Space this morning and read a bulletin that was posted from one of the family members of these teens that were involved in this "Stand-Off". Just by the comment you posted you have hurt some hearts and pushed a few buttons as well,not that you care but I do.Your statements are false and I'm saying this to the whole forum,ifusayso's comment is not legit.I have been a poster on this forum for a while now and most of you know that I never get this personal on the forums but this time I have to because the words that ifusayso stated were very disrespectful especially when you talked about someone's Mother being the blame for what has happened.Everything you stated about the Mother was a complete lie.I don't know if you have a personal grudge or maybe you are just a very hateful human being but I feel sorry for you.You talk about a gang that you seem to know a lot about.To me I have to wonder if you are not a gang member yourself and BTW these boys are not in a gang, they just got there selves in trouble,no gang involved.Yes,we are all entitled to our own opinions but when people like you come on here and make false allegations about other peoples families due to your own personal grudges,meanness or whatever, that's just wrong.
Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:27:16 CST
themis,
Don't quit your day job...
Sat Dec 15, 2007 09:45:28 CST
Sung to the tune "The Gambler" by Kenny Rogers:You gotta know when to fall over laughing
Know when to be in awe of the idiocy
Know when to realize
That you're talkin' to a wall
You never waste your pearls on swine
While you're sittin' at the computer
There'll be time enough to ridicule
When the thread is done
From your favorite sexist, egotistical, lying, hypocritical, homosexual mysoginist
Sat Dec 15, 2007 00:12:58 CST
OCL - just catching up on what I've missed the past few days & all I have to say is WOW.....I'm impressed.....& you also succeeded in shutting him up!
Fri Dec 14, 2007 02:22:59 CST
Simply amazing. "Crabby"...mmmmmm
Fri Dec 14, 2007 00:22:29 CST
sandwichh, as a farewell gift to you before I leave this discussion thread, here is a little bit of wisdom (look it up it is in the dictionary...maybe your anchor can explain it to you)especially for you.Sometimes it is better to remain silent when being called an Idiot...
Then opening your mouth and removing all doubt.
Thu Dec 13, 2007 23:12:34 CST
I rest my case. Too PC for me. hehehe
Thu Dec 13, 2007 22:27:01 CST
Themis you are a sad individual with some really frightening issues. I do not know the circumstances in your past, nor the female or females who’s actions have developed in you such a hatred of women, but the more you rant the more obvious it becomes that you seriously need to seek some type of professional help. Please don’t take this advise as some caddy remark of hatred from me to you, I honestly don’t mean it to be. For some time now I have read your posts on many issues and sometimes I think you have some opinions that are worth the read and worth extra thought, but when you ramble on with statements of hatred like the ones I have read here, it cheapens the positive things you have to say. I am not, obviously, a homosexual so I do not know first hand what it is, or what catalyst is present in a person to make them prefer this sexual preference. In your case however my guess would be that your distain for women has possibly played a role, but that is just my guess. I do want to point out though that I haven’t ever…in this thread…or any other put down or have said anything negative about or towards people who are. In other words I don’t put down people for being who they are, and I certainly don’t make blanket statements towards people because of their sex or sexual preferences. I have some wonderful friends who are gay and wouldn’t ever judge someone because of anything other then their behavior. When you make statements like you have in these posts, and others, that are blanket statements towards a group of people because they are something that they had no choice or say in…that is just plain wrong, unfair, and ignorant, and it makes you sound young, inexperienced, and uninformed. Not all of the problems with the world today are the fault of women or the feminist movement. Not all men walk out on women because the women have driven them off. If that was the case then please explain how come there are so many women who are battered, murdered, and left alone with no money, no resources, no job, no skills, and nothing but a nest of children to provide for. Do you think that these women were strong, workingwomen to have been left in such dire situations? You probably think that women who have been abused deserve it because they mouth off or assert themselves to their husbands, and if you believe that…you seriously need to find a place to get some help. Not all women are b%#$&*@ just because they are women, and not all women are worthless troublemakers because the one or one’s that have hurt you were. To make blanket statements like you have about women is unfair. There are millions of good women in this world who are hard working, loving, caring, and gentle. They are loving and supportive wives and mothers as well as talented and intelligent professionals. If you would step out of your narrow-mindedness and give them a chance you might just find that out for yourself. Seriously, you need to spend some time with your mouth closed and your mind open and get some professional help as you appear to be headed for self-destruction.
Thu Dec 13, 2007 20:49:35 CST
Themis...Is definitely not wrapped to tight...
Kinda off topic here aren't ya'...
Thu Dec 13, 2007 18:35:37 CST
you folks are fun. I am sure that the exploding divorce rate, prison population, broken homes, abortion rate, single parents, teenage pregnancy and drug addition, and yes, millions of homosexuals opting out completely of dealing with your lovely attitudes has nothing to do with feminism. The reason men do not commit is because there is little worth their time or energy. Other then feminism what has changed ? You have asked men to cook, clean, baby sit, etc etc so you can have time to do your thing and they have answered with thundering patter of feet running away from the idea. So now that the answer is no -- what is the plan ?
Thu Dec 13, 2007 18:13:53 CST
Emptypockets I made you a promise that I can't keep much to my dismay, in telling you I'd give you a call today with somee info of places and people you can get in touch with to help you and your family with your son. I didn't write your number down figuring I would be able to pull it up here and I have noticed that the Advocate has pulled all the comments from you giving you a more descrete method to handle this. It sounds like there were many people who responded to your requests and I sure hope that the help you seek has begun to gather round you and that the situation is well on it's way to getting where it needs to go. If you wish to get in-touch with me directly or if there is anything I can help or do for you in this matter, the Advocate has my email address and I would be so happy to do all I can. I wish for you and your family many blessings and all the best in this situation. I will keep your family and your son in my thoughts and in my prayers.To the rest of victorians that are active on this discussion board...it is so refreshing to see that there are so many wonderful people who are not afraid of taking action to help right a wrong. BRAVO!
Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:23:09 CST
Emptypockets, if the Advocate can be of any help, feel free to contact me. My direct office number is 574-1271, or you can leave a message through the Web site.
Thu Dec 13, 2007 09:04:20 CST
Themis; I was starting to feel sorry for you after reading your posts in the "Living Gay in Victoria" thread.... now, after reading your very archaic views on women, and seeing your "mikesfriends.info" website, you do nothing but sicken me! I think that you are like a square peg, just trying to fit in somewhere and spouting off just for the sake of hearing your own voice! In the "gay" thread, you made deroggatory remarks about "single women" trying to "convert" gay men.... yeah as if... you also said that you were beat within an inch of your life by so called christians, and here you are quoting scripture as if your are a theology professor.... do me a favor.... read the rest of those biblical quotes.... tell me and the rest of the bloggers what it says the HUSBANDS duties are..... As far as children turning bad because the mothers are "head of the household".... bull-hockey! My husband respects and values not only my opinions, but encourages me to become more aggressive, mentally. I respect him as the man of the family. He works hard, and is gone many hours a day, therefore, he expects me to handle making many important decisions concerning our children without his input. If he does not agree with my opinion, he tells me so, but not in front of our children. And why are so many children being raised in homes with only a mother? Because the fathers didn't want to committ; because the men walked out emotionally, physically.... it's better to have a strong, positive female role model than a negative male role model...... (and vice versa)....
Thu Dec 13, 2007 07:39:40 CST
Well Cricket thanks for the heads up. I went over to the discussion on gay rights in Victoria and read a lot of interesting things that Themis had to say there. I especially like the comment he made about the "Bible waving Anglos in the room thinking that ended every argument" as being a thing of the past. Wow! And to think that just a few comments ago on this discussion bead he was doing the same thing. I also noticed he obviously has a distane for women period. Apparently that "king of the castle" thing in his home growing up...wasn't all he has led us to believe in reality. My guess is that somewhere in Themis's past there are some dark events that have led him to have such a warped view of reality, perhaps an overbearring father and a mother that was unable or afraid to protect him when he needed her. If that is the case then I hope that he can find himself and let go of that which is negative.
Thu Dec 13, 2007 07:05:22 CST
onecrabbylady:
Themis wouldn't understand a Man and Woman or Husband and Wife relationship. Themis said he is gay. You may have hurt his feelings . . . so, I think you should have said, "QUEEN of his castle."
Thu Dec 13, 2007 06:44:53 CST
Themis...you don't even know what you are talking about here, I don't tell my husband anything...like I said he is a strong man all on his own, if you knew us...which you don't...you would know that. You see it takes a strong man to have and appreciate a strong woman...but I guess you wouldn't know anything about that. My guess is though that we will not ever agree on this subject and that is ok. I have stated my opinions and will not waste anymore of my time on discussing this dead end issue with you. Enjoy your life of being king of your castle...and leave the real issues to those of us who can see the way things really are and are trying to make a difference.
Thu Dec 13, 2007 06:23:53 CST
I am sure you are right crab he would say as he is told. It is fix-in to be Christmas as a treat do you take um out of your purse and let him visit for a while ?
Thu Dec 13, 2007 06:07:58 CST
onecrabbylady~ You Go Girl!
Themis~ Get a life! Sounds like you didn't get enough "tummy time" as a baby.
Thu Dec 13, 2007 05:44:50 CST
Boys it is so sad to see two men who are so threatened by strong women that they need to push this same old topic of "men are superior" in every single open discussion. The topic here is about children who have lost their way and parents who are trying everything they know how to lead them back. As usual though you boys have turned it into a soap box to once again voice your opinions on women knowing and staying in their place. I am a strong woman who has successfully raised my own kids as well as many other folks children as well. My husband is a successful man who has much respect and is well known across the golden cresent area and he will be the first to tell you that his wife, that would be me, has been his anchor, his inspiriation, and his motivation. In fact while we have totally different occupations, there are several organizations that we work hard in together. You see themis a real man, a strong man is not intiminated by a strong woman, a strong man will embrace that strength and draw from it when they need it. If your wife is happy at home taking care of your family, and heaven help her...you, I say more power to her, I too love and care for my home and family. I sure hope that if you have daughters you teach them to be all that they can be and all that they want to be. I am a history teacher and you need to read some books about what life was like for women who did not marry, or became widowed before the 20th century...it was a bleak existance indeed. You have a great deal of nerve making the statement that women who work or have a career don't have a right to have a husband or children. That is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard...you even topped yourself here. The fact is there are millions of women who are in the situation of having to work to help support the family, and millions more who have to support children on their own because their "king of the castle" has moved on. As far as your Bible quotes to prove your point, you need to read the verses that line out what responsible men are told to do, then why don't you preach a little to the losers out there who haven't stepped up to the plate when it comes to the children that they have made. I believe that a woman can be strong and proud and be all she can be and still be a great mother and a supportive and loving wife, after all God did give us talents, intellegence, feelings, and abilities as well, and I am positive that he intended us to use them fully. Themis, you and your buddy should take this discussion elsewhere cause you are just wasting space in this topics discussion.
Thu Dec 13, 2007 03:46:23 CST
Holy cow! I cannot believe it. Oh please ladies, you need to reread themis statement. Let go of the taught feminist outlook of things and just read it. Don't get yourselves all in a wad. I know the diatribe of years now is if you are not working you have no worth. If your children are considered no worth then that tells you everything you need to know about the nowadays feminitst movement. Oh, and by the way. I fully understand that the early feminist movement did many good things for womens rights. Work, pay, legal, etc.. Of the needed things I have no beef with. Victoria stills likes keeping the female pay low though. But like so many "rights groups", they have gone too far and have lost their way. The teaching of "me, me, me, me" in my opinion is one of them. Not teaching the relationships and marriage makes me become we. And yes, there are many a male that has the same problem. So lighten up, "man" does not equal boogie man. Sounds like some may have been married to my brother, a man of many marriages. One of the things that has kept me married for many a year, that and a wife for an anchor. So go ahead and fire away. I am sure the coming postings will be hilarious, can't wait. ;O
Thu Dec 13, 2007 02:26:20 CST
It is OK to have your own life just leave kids and a husband out of it and do your own thing. Live only for yourself. If a person left a pet alone and unsupervised as much as some parents do their latch key kids they would take the pets away. Ephesians - Chapter 5:22-24,33
22. Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
23. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savoir.
24. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
33. ...and the wife must respect her husband.
Colossians – Chapter 3:18
18. Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
First Corinthians - Chapter 11:3
3. Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
Thu Dec 13, 2007 01:17:51 CST
Thanks VBB...I have never been one to be very passive about things that need our attention. One voice is not enough to move mountains but there is strength in numbers. The down side is that there are times when I tend to be a little too outspoken...and that isn't always a good thing.I too enjoy your posts and views and thanks for being another voice for what is needed.
Thu Dec 13, 2007 01:09:25 CST
OCL - I have to tell you I love your posts...you always hit the nail on the head !
Thu Dec 13, 2007 01:08:38 CST
Hey sandwichh if you are so impressed then you are just as ignorant as themis is...so be proud...and the rest of us will laugh along. HA!
Thu Dec 13, 2007 01:04:45 CST
Come on themis I can't believe that you are going to lay the blame on the entire feminist movement. Let me set the record straight here, my mother worked the entire time I was growing up and she still found time to get us to chruch 3 times a week, stay on top of our school work, take us to piano lessons and dance, and she never missed any of our school programs or ball games. She kept our home clean, her children well dressed and she cooked dinner every single night and breakfast every morning so that we could sit down as a family. We were well traveled and have a close family and all have grown up to be college educated professionals with families of our own. Women can do it all if they want to. Perhaps you should consider the problem of the huge number of irresponsible dads who skip out on their families leaving them to fin on their own, or better yet you might be closer to the truth if you consider the "it's all about me" attitude that has developed as a result of those free-thinking, throw morals to the wind, drug induced years of the 60's, 70's, and 80's. I don't think that any woman who chooses to stay home and be a wife and mother as being nothing...those are two of the most difficult jobs in the world, but women who work or choose a career are not to blame for everything wrong with families and the world. History has been written by men...who had almost full control of it until the middle of the 20th century...so if you don't like the way things are in the past or in the present...you can thank all your brother's before you for they surely had the control.
Thu Dec 13, 2007 00:54:57 CST
hmmmmm...if i read this correctly he is blaming women in general for all of the problems this country is facing....gangs, men abandoning their kids, stagnant wages, lack of male role models etc.... I for one am NOT impressed.
Thu Dec 13, 2007 00:48:51 CST
Themis, I am impressed!
Wed Dec 12, 2007 23:35:44 CST
"You can have it all" was the promise of the feminist movement. The economy has boomed in many ways with woman taking their skills from the home of organization , communication, economy, and the like but has left a huge void of talent once focused on raising children. Now given the rules of supply and demand when you double the talent pool available of course wages will stagnate as they have. But now we not only have this to drive down wages but have college graduates who know 3 languages answering the phone for American companies for pennies on the dollar in India. Nothing personnel "John". The ones who suffer are the children who need more then that 15 minutes of "Quality " times they get while mom changes cloths between jobs. That men do not stay is no surprise. My grandfather was king of his castle. My Dad a vote like the rest of us. Now young men raised by mom and grandmother have little sense of being " the head of the house " and look lost in a sea of feminism trying to function in a world where their masculinity is seen as a tyranny and having a strong back not enough to provide for a family; you need to be able to dress like a prep and make a computer stand on its back legs and role over. No wounder so many are lost to gangs. When did becoming an adult in societies eyes have everything to do with the seriousness of the crime and not the skills of adulthood such as hunting and being a protector of the tribe ?
Wed Dec 12, 2007 22:35:26 CST
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Wed Dec 12, 2007 22:32:25 CST
Empty Pockets I believe their is an organization here in Victoria don't know if its through the Chamber of commerce maybe someone can help here. Doesn't Victoria have a club called Big Sister and Big Brothers. even the boys club.I don't know which organization does the big brother one. I tell you what I will call a friend of Gulf Bend to see if they can talk to him. I know that they have a waiting list but that would be a start.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 22:20:24 CST
SOUNDS LIKE HE IS FOLLOWING THE WONDERFUL FOOTSTEPS OF HIS LOW LIFE EX CON OF A FATHER
Wed Dec 12, 2007 22:07:27 CST
victorianbybirth...thanks for your last post. You are correct there are a lot of families that are trying so hard to do the right thing and poor legislation combined with a broken system have them stuck in a rut they can't get out of. The worst part of all is by the time they get someone to listen and help and work their way through the endless stream of red-tape...the children grow up, end up in trouble, or worse. It is one of the worst injustices in our nation today. We can no longer afford to have the attitude that my family is ok and everyone else is on their own. I encourage everyone to get involved in organizations that are calling for the changes needed in order to save our families and our children. In the end it will be our problem as a whole if we don't.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 21:50:25 CST
I spoke with this dad & his lovely wife & my heart goes out to them. They are stuck in a tragic situation where they have no place to turn. They love this boy & want what is best for him & their family. They have begged for help & are continually turned away by the very system that should be helping them. The VA should run a story on families like this who are struggling to do what is right & being turned away. It seems either he is not bad enough or too bad. After talking with this dad & his wife for a long period of time I am angry at a system that is broken & the innocent people who are stuck between a rock & a hard place. This city in particular needs to reevaluate its juvenile programs to better assist the families who want help before it is too late for help. keep me posted on whats going on or if you just need to talk, my heart goes out to ya'll!
Wed Dec 12, 2007 21:44:09 CST
Emptypockets I will take you up on your offer and give you a call. Please give me till tomorrow though...I want to make sure that I can give you names and numbers that will help you the most effectivly. I also read another blog that gave some insight on this little wannabe gang...and from the sound of what this person was saying...now is the time to act...before he goes much further. The one thing I do think that needs to be done first is get that child into school no matter what it takes. Besides giving children what the skills and education that is needed for their future, schools keep up with kids and offer lots of clubs and organizations to keep them busy in a positive way. That is a good place to start. I will give you a call tomorrow and will do all I can to help you and your child succeed in your endevors. God Bless you both.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 20:46:51 CST
Empty Pockets...Get your son a way from the boys that were arrested...(ASAP)
Your son is just being set up for failure by these wanna be "gang members"...(They use the younger ones like your son to do there dirty work)
Think they call there selves 43 crips or how they may say it "4 Tre'"...(it's a cool gang,you don't even have to be jumped in to be in it,wow...)
These older boys that were arrested haven't been to school in years and have been in and out of the system for a long time now...The sad thing about it is that the parents of these kids have been in trouble and to prison all these kids lives and one is still in prison for the same type of charges...(The Mother at that!...way to go MOM)
The people that rented this nasty apartment building out rents to anyone that has a pocket full of money...It's been a well known dope house (four plex) ever since I was little and that was over 35 years ago...
Funny thing is the person that called the police was a female neighbor that one of the boys use to date...go figure...
Don't give up...
Wed Dec 12, 2007 20:21:08 CST
Emptypockets, I am not the kind of person who will not admit when I have been wrong or too quick to judge a situation, in this case I may have jumped the gun. After I posted my comment, I saw a bevy of other comments between yourself and others that went a little deeper into the situation. I think that you perhaps have been trying to get somewhere with a child you love through a system that doesn't work well for anyone but the state and I understand your feelings of helplessness. I do want you to know that you are also wrong about me. I have spent many years as a teacher who teaches middle school kids, I am also very active in local youth organizations and have been for almost 20 years, and I do have children, 10 of them, that my husband and I have raised to adulthood. Three are mine, five are his, and we adopted 2 teenage siblings several about 8 years ago. Children are my passion, they hold our futures in their hands. It is alarming, as it should be, to see the effects of the poor parenting, so called child experts, poorly written laws dealing with youth offenders, a broken CPS system, broken family and courts that deal with cases by the book instead of what is best for the family and children, and lastly the bad idea of Zero Tolerence we have allowed our children to be victims to. All in all everyday we see our young people being swallowed up by forces that we as parents can't control, and it is time we wake up and fight to get things changed. I do think that the law works against the father in Texas, and that is a shame, not every woman who has given birth is a mother and sometimes the kids are better off with their father. There are some websites of attorneys that offer help and advice free of charge to fathers through organizations dedicated to fathers rights in Houston. Check them out you may find answers there to some of the legal obsticales you face. If your child is already in a gang association...you need to move strong, hard, and fast to save him. The love of a parent can move mountains when put into action. May God bless you in your struggle to save your children, and remember...don't guilt parent...he has to accept the responsibility of his own actions especially in these years of early teenage years.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 20:11:36 CST
maybe one of the victoria advocate reporters can help you. or help you find the help your son needs.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 19:59:20 CST
Emptypockets --- I certainly understand what you are going thru! I have a teen who is hell bent on doing what she wants when she wants and how she wants! I've been thru the wringer with her. Something bad happened to her and that and tough love and therapy has helped. She is not involved in a gang, but I understand the negative influence peers can have on a child. I can't offer you much advice.... we had to become our child's warden and it's not fun! It's working for us at the moment. If you want to contact me thru this website, just click on my name you can send me an email. Those who are in here saying "my child would never.... cuz I'm a good parent"....all I can say is.... you just keep telling yourself that! No matter what your ethnic, financial, religious, educational back ground, unless you are with your teens 24/7 your kid will do that! At least once.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 18:49:14 CST
highschoolkid - no I would never let my 13yr old quit school, nor would I turn them out to the street. I would first put a boot up his behind & then sit him down for a man to man conversation. Seeing that he has other children in the home I would take their feelings & safety and weigh it against the behavior of this boy and see if there is some solution to be had in this home. If not I would find a nice facility for him to get the help that he needs so he doesn't wind up like those 16yr olds who were just sentenced to 40 ys in prison or worse, dead.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 18:41:29 CST
to everybody yall are all jumping on emptypockets back when you know good and well if you were in that situation you would do the same thing for your kids!!! emptypockets your the father you do what you think is right s far as punishment and that type of stuff dobt let these people condem you for your childs actions!!!
Wed Dec 12, 2007 17:32:51 CST
Emptypockets, don’t you think it is a little late to get so defensive now? Actually it is by your own statements one of the problems here lies, that is, you are obviously on the one hand excusing your own poor parenting by pushing the blame to your ex or whoever has raised your child, while at the same time making excuses for your child who obviously has a problem with making good and responsible choices in his life. If your child was not in school because he was withdrawn from school…that is a red flag that he is up to no good. By the way was he suspended, kicked out, or did your ex just withdraw him to run the streets and get into trouble? I know that if the school has had him removed he should have been over in Mitchell or an alternative school. The bottom line is simple here your ex and yourself have not stepped up and parented your child. Just because you are divorced, or not together for whatever reason, this is still your child and as such you were given a responsibility to raise your child to be the best he can be, to have a good life, to use the gift of life in a positive way making the most of it. It is not the police, school, or anyone else job to bring up your child…in all factors you are the one who has to back them up, instead you have dropped the ball by not being involved, making excuses, and you should really think about what the future will hold for your child if you do not get with the program. Nothing to me is sadder than to see young kids in prison to live out the rest of their lives, prison time on shorter sentences is no better because of the limitations it puts on the rest of a young life. As a parent I can think of only one thing worse, and that would be to have to bury one of my children, yet more and more people are…and that is a tragic waste when so much potential, personality, and joy are cut so short. It has been said that “children are a TRUE reflection of their parents,” and in my many years of working with children I have found it to be true. No kids are perfect…they make mistakes, sometimes costly…they make bad choices…they will get into trouble now and then…but then they are kids. It is up to parents to pick them up dust them off and show them the right way. Use tough love, quit making excuses for them, quit blaming everything and everyone else for your child’s actions, let them learn by suffering the consequences of their actions and choices now so they will make better ones in the future. YOU need to get your child back into school unless you aspire for him to be living in the atmosphere that he was found in yesterday. Life is cold and hard when you get out on your own and there are way too many of our children who are not prepared to handle it. Emptypockets you need to look hard at what the future holds for this child…it is NEVER TOO LATE…it just get harder the older they get, to save your child from self-destruction. Your child is not headed in a good direction if you don’t step in and become the parent you need to be it could be this child may well be who the police haul off next time or even worse with the company he is keeping. What can you live with on your conscience for the rest of your life?
Wed Dec 12, 2007 17:15:03 CST
texasmom - there were 4 middle school aged kids there as well.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 17:14:05 CST
How old is he? I thought these 3 men were grown adults.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 15:59:13 CST
Time out empty pockets, the police aren't the parents. It's not their job to raise other peoples children. Secondly, about the juvenile justice system. By law a person is a juvenile when they are under the age of 17. If a juvenile (16 and under) commit a violation, the police have to contact the juvenile probation to see if they will aceept the child into custody. If they say no, then the police have no choice but to release to a parent. The exception is obviously murder, robbery, etc. Maybe thats is your problem, you try to pass the blame on others. When a child is in his teens, its too late to start being a parent.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 13:15:52 CST
I was also wondering why those kids weren't in school.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 09:17:10 CST
What I want to know, what about those “children” they pulled out. I saw those “children” all do not live there. Innocent is very questionable; they all belong to a gang who feed off of harassing and bulling other neighborhood good kids. It was obvious they were skipping school. Was a truancy officer called? They called the parents to pick them up, the same parents who allow them to walk the streets late at night. I see those same kids walking the streets late at night. I am tired of these so call “children” running around bulling and harassing.
Tue Dec 11, 2007 16:48:31 CST
Our town sure is falling apart. I am glad none of the other people were hurt or shot.