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Comment From: smidgeon08  (Report this comment as a violation)

bellyboop arent telling nothing that aint true. VDORE, however did more than once attack a blogger. One was mingomaniac and whole thing recorded. A couple of days ago, she attacked someone else thinking it was mingo. That also is recorded. FYI......Mingos BF is encouraging her to allow him to file something in court. ARent there a big difference in me telling what I see with my own eyes...like unbehaved kids in public and records that can be looked at on the DPS criminal site and what she posted about machocism and transgender? Comment From: superdave1  (Report this comment as a violation)

I can't believe all the personal attacks I am reading.

Personally I voted for Keeling and for a VERY SIMPLE reason...IF IT'S NOT BROKE DON'T FIX IT. I think she has been a good voice and addition to the school board. Just because she happens to be the one up for re-election against Jaynes has sent everyone into a frenzy to pick sides and battle it out. I have never met Jaynes or Keeling but both seem like great citizens of the community willing to put in lots of hard work. I'm so saddened by this division of a great small town. I truely wish the advocate would do away with the whole blog idea. It has really brought out the ugly side of our community. Comment From: bellyboob96  (Report this comment as a violation)

Smigeon, it is funny how you trashed Dr. Jaynes, his wife, his grandchildren and son in law, but now you are telling others to stop. Comment From: icandoitall  (Report this comment as a violation)

smidgeon, I hope you're joking hahaha, but you're welcome Comment From: smidgeon08  (Report this comment as a violation)

Thats what I was trying to say, i can do it, I dont have way with words. thank you Both of theses people use other people. Comment From: smidgeon08  (Report this comment as a violation)

None of us hates DJ or her team. WE do object the the filthy attacks on here. Her trying to control most of her students and parents, power trips and how she singles out one or two kids to be unfair to. ow she coerces her team members to be involved in the campaign. This type personality has to do this to feel good about themselfs. Jack is not MINGO, Mingo is gone from this blog. None of this bothers Mingo, but her boyfriend has strongly suggested filing a lawsuit on her behalf. And now Bernie makeing a mule of himself fighting oer shchool boardpres. seat just shows wh is out for what. ARent it time to stop the drama and let nature take over? Comment From: vdore  (Report this comment as a violation)

WackoJacko,
And we really do know who you are. Are you that stupid to think DJ would post here? You people are like flys swarming over dungheeps. Are you that shallow minded to think that if you are against the drillteam then you are automatically a Keeling supporter? You don’t even live in that precinct. I stand behind all of what I stated about YOU. If you are not the infamous mingo, then: why do you hate DJ?
Comment From: JackofallTrades  (Report this comment as a violation)

Vdore we all know who you are, so now you claim to be a Keeling supporter?? Quit trying to get out of the nasty comments that you posted this week. Oh I know you what happened, you got your hand slapped again and are in big trouble!! Comment From: smidgeon08  (Report this comment as a violation)

sickofit, No I dont share a computer with Jack, I dont know who jack is. Vdore, if you are 100% for keeling, then are you trying to have the public believe that all keeling supporters are capable of posting nasty vulgar drunken things and so that will all vote for the opponent. We all know who you are and why you do what you do. Comment From: icandoitall  (Report this comment as a violation)

Sickofit I have a question for u. So you are a parent who allowed an MTV crew to tape your minor child without any say in what they would do with the footage or how they would portray your child? Wow! As a parent of two girls I can tell you there is no way I would allow this to go on in my home. I'm amazed at any parent who would allow their child to be taped and the footage be used in an MTV reality show without a contract specifying how that footage would be used. I don't know if you're just naive or starstruck but in either case what a great disservice to your children that you don't want to protect them from somethin so obviously damaging. Wow. Comment From: sickofit  (Report this comment as a violation)

Once again, you are wrong and making things up. Do you and jack use the same computer? Comment From: smidgeon08  (Report this comment as a violation)

ok! Get the key out of your ears and listen. We have never bashed the whole drill team. We are trying wake up people to the fact that the director does weird things and uses some of her students to get what she wants done. Arent it funny that the newspaper said that MTV emailed DJ. Yet she has no publicly listed email at VISD. Or did she seek this one out because they were looking at an Austin team. For thirty years, she has had her way via childish tantrums. arent it funny nobody can see through what goes on. Comment From: vdore  (Report this comment as a violation)

Antianiraamazon, you are so poorly miss-guided. I was defending the Victoriadores because you crazies continue to attack and want to destroy them, I feel compelled to defend them. You think you know everyone’s political agenda just because we are for the team.

 I BACK TAMI KEELING 100%! Comment From: sickofit  (Report this comment as a violation)

Jack, the difference is that I know what I am talking about because I was there and I had the wonderful people from MTV/CMT in my home. Did you? You only have hearsay. This is a dead issue. It is over. Why don't you drop it. Having a friend that knew a friend's sister's cousin does not count as fact. If you were not there, don't act like you were! Comment From: JackofallTrades  (Report this comment as a violation)

That meeting in October was for cmt which was going to do the show, and not MTV. These are two different incidents. CMT decided not to film the drill team and passed it over to their sister company which is MTV. The MTV crew started filming in early January. As far as the MTV filming, The drill team DID NOT get permission from anyone! I think you have been misinformed and misled just like all the others! Comment From: sickofit  (Report this comment as a violation)

Greg Crockett and Laura Smith were at the MTV meeting in October. The truth is the truth. Do not say you know something when it is obvious that you don't. This issue is over, we have other problems in our district that we need to worry about. Comment From: JackofallTrades  (Report this comment as a violation)

For the record, no one from administration nor a school board member met with MTV.

 Sickofit says "And by the way, drill team did not cost the district money over MTV, poor administrating cost the district. Drill team did everything by the book."Wrong again! The drill team did cost the district money and even after Bob Moore and the school board made their decision and said No! to the MTV story...the drill team whined, cried and begged Administration to please allow MTV to come back!

sickofit says "dril team did everything by the book. The drill team did nothing by the book they just set their own rules and schemed their way around everything as they always do. Their leader just told them that they should blame administration and she expects them to believe it.

Sick of it also said, "People and VISD need to stop blaming students and teachers for their lack of professionalism, and they need to take responsibility for what they did. This is over and is not an issue for the school board election.

You are wrong again to say this. sickofit needs to stop blaming administration. Bob Moore and the school board made the right decision against the MTV filming. Trust me, with what they were about to expose..you should be glad that so many other truths did not come out.  And yes the mtv issue  does play a major role in this election so why would you think otherwise?

Comment From: whatareu4  (Report this comment as a violation)

May I ask which board member met with MTV? Comment From: sickofit  (Report this comment as a violation)

I do not understand why I do not have the right to back Dr. Jaynes just because I was associated with drill team. I consider him a friend and someone I truly respect. He was my doctor before I ever dealt with him or DJ in drill team. He delivered my children. I can back him if I want, I can stand on the sides of streets, and I can place signs in my yard. I have a right as an American to do this. And by the way, drill team did not cost the district money over MTV, poor administrating cost the district. Drill team did everything by the book. Administration and a school board member met with MTV in October. They gave them name tags to be on their campus, and then 3 or 4 months later claimed they knew nothing about it. They were also filmed by MTV.
People and VISD need to stop blaming students and teachers for their lack of professionalism, and they need to take responsibility for what they did. This is over and is not an issue for the school board election. Comment From: JackofallTrades  (Report this comment as a violation)

Giveitup, I would like to comment about your #10 

10.  DJ is not running for school board - She has been employed for 30 years and doesn't need her husband to secure a job for her - It's not like she is getting paid anything to wonderful to be the drill team director ---- DR. JAYNES IS RUNNING BECAUSE HE IS AWARE OF THE PROBLEMS VISD IS FACING AND IS CAPABLE OF DELIVERING RESULTS. 

Dj has been employed by VISD for over 30 yrs which is way way too long. What you also need to remember is that she has been paid by VISD and isn't worthy of her title as teacher. She stands in the hallway on her phone, rarely is in class, and can be found on her computer blogging! What a shameful excuse for a teacher! Her teaching job serves as a cushion for the title of drill team director. And yes she is desparate that  her husband serves as a school board member t because the seat that he wants to fill is a swing vote !! It ate her up so bad when the school board and Bob Moore said NO to MTV and she does not know the meaning of the word NO!!! So she figures that her husband can play a big part in whatever future decisions will be made concerning the drill team. Don't you get it?? Her *** is on the line and she needs hubby to save it!!

Comment From: whatareu4  (Report this comment as a violation)

Giveitup: Your point #3 is totally ridiculous. I know some of these girls and their parents; all great people. BUT THEY WERE STANDING ON THE BUSIEST STREET IN VICTORIA WAIVING SIGNS...hello, you don’t think we wouldn’t recognize who they are? You guys showed your hand a little too early. Actually, I think that worked against the Jaynes campaign and I doubt we’ll see such again if a special election is needed. First, it reminded all the Keeling supporters that they needed to vote and secondly, it solidified the notion that Dr Jaynes does have an especially interested group in this race. Keeling supporters back her because they believe in her accomplishments and her proven track record. Transcripts from the League of Women Voter’s forum quoted Dr. Jaynes as saying he was running because of his grandchildren and he’s tired of the “squabbling that current exists on the board”. What squabbling? I haven’t heard of any squabbling. In fact, with the addition of Mr. Moore, this is the most productive board Victoria has had in years and I know that the business community is pleased with the direction we are headed. Ms. Keeling has worked tirelessly with other board members to get us to this point. I know that when I’m hiring someone to do a job for me, I want the most experienced, knowledgeable person available. Someone with a good resume that is pertinent for the specific job. I’m not going to hire a brain surgeon to paint my house. He might be the greatest surgeon and businessman in the world, but if I need the job done right, I’m going to hire a painter, because he’s got the credentials. Especially if he’s going to be in charge of $159 million of our tax dollars!

Bellyboop: I’ll let you in on a little technicality, the difference between Ms Keeling voting on basketball supplies and Dr Jaynes voting on salaries…is (drum role please)…. HE’S NOT GETTING PAID TO PLAY BASKETBALL.

Comment From: icandoitall  (Report this comment as a violation)

Maybe we can finally address some of the issues:

1. ON the ethics issue: Tammy Keeling has gone out of her way to in no way shape or form seek the support or assistance of her son's teammates, parents, or coaches in her campaigning.
Charlie Jaynes has used the power and influence that his wife has over the drill team girls and parents to secure financial AND fanatical campaign support for his seat. ANd PLEASE do not insult my intelligence by telling us that she does not influence these girls and parents. ANyone who has ever been even remotely involved with the drill team is very aware of the fanatical and cult like nature of the relationship between DJ and these girls.
2. There are finally some positive changes happening in our school district after the consolidation disaster. Tammy Keeling has been part of bringing about these changes initiated by our Superintendent. SHe supports him in these changes as many of the other board members also appear to. Having a school board and community who support the Superintendent is key in implementing these exciting changes.
Charlie Jaynes has a personal score to settle with the Superintendent because of his WISE decision to stop the embarrassment of our students, school, and community on some MTV reality show. If you've ever seen a reality show on MTV, you know exactly what we were in for. The fact that Dr. Jaynes would deny any conflict of interest here, proves his motives as far as I'm concerned.
I DO NOT want him harrassing our Superintendent in the middle of this $159 million project most of us voted for.
3. Tammy Keeling believes that this money should be focused on our schools, academics, and teachers first and on a new auditorium second.
Charlie Jaynes has said that building a new auditorium should be a priority. And let me guess, his wife's drill team would be performing in this auditorium, correct? No conflict of interest? I don't think so.
4. Tammy Keeling, whose children are students in VISD, wants to improve our school distric as a whole so that ALL of our children and our community will ALL benefit from a better school district.
Charlie Jaynes has proven who will benefit from his seat on the board. The insanity and zeal with which Drill TEam girls and parents have been campaigning for him makes it CLEAR who will benefit from his position on the school board.

I have personally seen with my own eyes drill team girls and parents standing on street corners yelling and holding his signs. The fact that he or his wife do not see anything unethical about that is shameful Comment From: JackofallTrades  (Report this comment as a violation)

We need change,
Well we know why dr. jaynes finds this campaign very important. It has nothing to do with education and children. It concerns his wife and her drill team. It is unfortunate but the blogging will not stop. He should have handled his campaign issues in a more professional way and find any and every way to not include drill team! He is only looking out for the future of the drill team when the new schools are built! These comments are downright the truth and many know of the truth and will not admit it!! And and as far as respectful and taseful comments, you missed out on the filty comments posted by vdore and bellyboob96. So as far as our comments ruining his campaign...his wife, drill team and supporters have already started this process!

Comment From: WeNeedChange  (Report this comment as a violation)

Dear Jaynes Supporters,

I am addressing each of you to ask that you please refrain from the negative blogging on this site - This campaign is very important to Dr. Jaynes and we would hate to ruin his chance in any way. Fighting for what you believe in is very important, as is freedom of speech and the rest of rights each one of us are given. I agree that it will be hard to let the rumors and hearsay fill up these blog spots... However, we need to look past the petty lies and comments and come together to show our support in other ways! If you are interested in joining the campaign team, I am sure its only a phone call away! If you feel the need to defend Dr. Jaynes please keep your comments tasteful and classy. We do not want our comments to reflect Dr. Jaynes in a negative way - He is not on here blogging and it is only fair that we defend him and his character.

I hope this does not cause any tension - I am not sure how the campaign feels about this issue, but I personally believe that some of the comments have gotten out of hand by both parties.

If you do choose to post - PLEASE, keep it clean, tasteful and respectful...

Thank-you for your continuing support! Comment From: Antianiraamazon  (Report this comment as a violation)

I don't think Mrs. Keeling and her son will be taking and using any basketball things that are purchased from VISD on their personal time, unlike, I found that the drill team director wasted and cost the school system thousands of dollars with her MTV fiasco, That money could have been used to buy other school equipment or badly needed materials and or/ the books and other school related items that Hopkins School was in need of so badly, in which they had to raise their own funds to buy their materials. Comment From: giveitup  (Report this comment as a violation)

Who are you getting your "facts" from?

 1. Charlie's campaign manager is NOT a drill team father - He is an individual out of Houston, Texas.

2. The campaign treasure is indeed a past drill team parent who is a close family friend for years.

3. There was not ONE drill team member involved in any of the rallying...

4. If a drill team member did come to your front door it was THEIR decision and not set up by the campaign team.

5. Dr. Jaynes and his grandsons have walked the majority of the streets

6. The Jaynes campaign has NOT put down Keeling in any way shape or form

7. The girls definately did not miss school to go walk neighborhoods - Why would they do that most people are working

8. Who cares that Dr. Jaynes hasn't "blogged" - why would he want to come and look at all of the lies

9. Please get your facts straight before posting on here -

10. DJ is not running for school board - She has been employed for 30 years and doesn't need her husband to secure a job for her - It's not like she is getting paid anything to wonderful to be the drill team director ---- DR. JAYNES IS RUNNING BECAUSE HE IS AWARE OF THE PROBLEMS VISD IS FACING AND IS CAPABLE OF DELIVERING RESULTS.

11.  Tami Keelings son is NOT a senior... her DAUGHTER is - Which means that there will be more years on the team!

12. Not only does the basketball team need new equipment, so does the SOCCER team, track team, volleyball team and also the softball team

13. The drill team is NOT funded by the school district completely. They are responsible for 98% of their own fees.

 

Comment From: icandoitall  (Report this comment as a violation)

I don't even know Ms. Keeling's son, but I am so disgusted with what's going on...I really tried to inform myself about the issues of this election in part because everyone should, in part because I know both the candidates personally and respect both of them. But what I've seen and heard during this election is making me furious and I'm sick of it. I hope everyone else who has seen this goes out and votes for Ms. Keeling and sends the message that this kind of filth is NOT OK. I hope that Dr Jaynes learns that the tactic of using his wife's position within the school district to gain a position on the school board will ultimately backfire once people educate themselves. I will tell him so personally when I see him. Comment From: Antianiraamazon  (Report this comment as a violation)

Nice comment Icando., I found her son to be a very nice young man, I think Belly is a teacher also. Comment From: icandoitall  (Report this comment as a violation)

ANd stop attacking Ms. Keeling's son, he has nothing to do with this, you should be ashamed of yourself. I really hope you're not an adult because that would make you a sad excuse for a human being. Comment From: Antianiraamazon  (Report this comment as a violation)

If Mr. Jaynes wins, he will surely try hard to get what ever his wife wants for the drill team(s) at any cost and that includes trying to keep her out of trouble with VISD.  Belly, you are just grasping at straws on your ethics. Comment From: icandoitall  (Report this comment as a violation)

Dr Jaynes' campaign has become so nasty and unethical, I don't even know where to begin. I have lost most respect I had for him. I don't ever remember seeing such nastiness in any campaign I've seen in Victoria. I certainly don't remember it when Ms. Keeling was running for her first term. I think that speaks volume about the new candidate, aside from the fact that I disagree on him on the issues. Check the list of Dr. Jaynes' campaign donors and see how many are drill team parents. Having them standing on street corners campaigning for him is disgusting and completely unethical. I wonder what would happen if one of those girls or parents actually informed themselves about the issues and decided to practice their right to freedom of speech and support the "other side". How long do you think she would last on the drill team? Do you think she'd make officer next year? Shame on Mr and Mrs Jaynes for abusing the power and influence they have over these kids. Comment From: bellyboob96  (Report this comment as a violation)

Nobodys talking about campaign tactics, you are free to your opinion. Talking about an ethical decision to exclude herself from voting on something that has a direct impact on her family. Comment From: Antianiraamazon  (Report this comment as a violation)

and also...I found out the campaign manager is supposidly a drill team dad, the treasurer is a former drill team mom...please don't sit there and say that the drill team is not a big part of the Jaynes's campaign, it revolves totally about drill team and how the director wants her way. I hate to see the drill team used as pawns in the Jaynes' campaign, it's not fair to the team and their parents, Mrs. Jaynes should have refrained from using any drill team affiliation to run a fair campaign, then that way no one would have questioned her unethical tactics. Comment From: Antianiraamazon  (Report this comment as a violation)

The drill team has definatly been used in the Jaynes's campaign tactics, passing out campaign materials in a class, using girls and boys from the team to pass out materials and put up signs in the neighborhoods and during and after school hours, drill team members and parents parading down Navarro, drill team members and their parents at every precinct waving signs, drill team director texting every possible student she knows who's available to vote and tells them to vote for her husband, and you say that drill team is not part of the agenda's....
who's dillusional here.....I found that Mrs. Keeling has not even included the "basketball team" on any of of her campaign tactics, I have found that she has very high morals and ethics and doesn't play the dirty game like the Jaynes' campaign. I have not heard or seen Mrs. Keeling, talk or slander or mention issues of that drill team, she is not into playing the bullying game like Mrs. Jaynes has done for her husbands campaign. Comment From: bellyboob96  (Report this comment as a violation)

Uncalled for smigeon, all you have done is trash peoples kids. It was just a question of ethics. You know, just like Keelings campaign. Comment From: smidgeon08  (Report this comment as a violation)

Ive seen many a time here to leave students out of this. What has been posted so far is not about drill team girls, but the fact that they were being "sent" so to speak through neighborhoods to post door hangers and handed bumperstickers in class. That isnt demeaning to the kids, just the teacher and candidate. Maybe they voulenteered t do what they did. Your digging at Mrs. Keeling's son is uncalled for. ITs a little different suituation. She isnt asking her son's to go out and campaign for her. get a life, stop blogging from school property before you have to get a new career.
Comment From: bellyboob96  (Report this comment as a violation)

Guess she cant vote on that. That would be unethical! Comment From: bellyboob96  (Report this comment as a violation)

Funny how new basketball equipment and courier service is on the school board agenda and guess what Keelings son plays basketball. Comment From: smidgeon08  (Report this comment as a violation)

Hey Tom C. Thats a drop in the waterpuddle compared to what VISD spend on lawyers for MTV advice........If you want proof, just ask Comment From: smidgeon08  (Report this comment as a violation)

OH, the other part of the story. the kid was taken out after not getting credits for the school year and home schooled and graduated ahead of kids her age. Comment From: TomC  (Report this comment as a violation)

Well, I think money is mentioned because there IS going to be another election, apparently. Both candidates have to agree to the coin toss. I know that Jaynes did not agree to it, and I do not know if Keeling said one way or the other. So...if the recount of the votes has the same result...a tie...then money will play an important factor in the election. It will determine who can continue to buy advertising, mainly.

As to the reason why the election cost so much...not really sure. I guess salaries are involved (for the poll workers), transportation costs (to get the machines to and from the polling places), maybe rent? (for some of the polling locations), the costs of printing the ballots. Those are just some ideas. Comment From: smidgeon08  (Report this comment as a violation)

I sympathize. I have a freind who's kid was drugged on the stroman campus and almost died. She missed a lot of classes because of doctors appts. then at the end of the school year, her parents were asked why they didnt request homebound. They didnt know of this. when they replied they didnt know, they were told that program was primarily for expectant mothers. ARent that something?
Comment From: sthtxgrl  (Report this comment as a violation)

Ok, if that is the thing, then I understand now.

Another question...is there a reason that money should be in the article about a tie? Is the fact that one who has received more money than the other have anything to do with them might having to "toss a coin" or have another vote? Shouldn't that be something said before the vote or better yet, kept for after?
Also, why does it cost that much for a re-vote? Where does this money go? Isn't it all computerized now?
(no I did not make it to vote this time, VISD does not need my vote, they won't even homeschool a child that can not go to school because of a sickness, so they don't need my opinion) Comment From: RedRage00  (Report this comment as a violation)

TomC is correct. That is just the money she received during that time period. She had funds prior to receiving the funds. I was thinking the same thing when I saw the pictures with the numbers, but then it explained it in the article. Comment From: TomC  (Report this comment as a violation)

As to the math questions....I think the issue is this. The "received" and the "spent" figures are for the particular time period listed (April 11 - May 2). The "total left" figure is a cumulative figure from the beginning of the campaign through May 2.

In other words, on April 10 she had $13,063 in her campaign treasury from PRIOR donations. She received another $1975 during this time period (April 11-May 2). She spent $6,982 during this time (April 11- May 2). That leaves her a current balance of $8,056.

That's the way I am interpreting it. Comment From: mommydala  (Report this comment as a violation)

I'm with sthtxgrl, what's with the math. Last I checked, $1,975 minus $6,982 equals -$5007, not $8,056. Comment From: icandoitall  (Report this comment as a violation)

Am I reading this right? The board (school board) is going to do the recount? No way! Someone check Bernie's fingers and pockets, hahaha. Comment From: bighorn  (Report this comment as a violation)

I'm with Sotex girl. Check the math? What am I missing? Comment From: fatboy  (Report this comment as a violation)

why is visd recounting the votes???? are they trained and certified in voter election issues?!?! our elected voter admin. should have done it that night and the next day.

does bennie have enough fingers???

then if the challenger didn't outright surpass the incumbent then the incumbent should retain thier seat.

we need open record request on this....
...my opinion Comment From: jabartee  (Report this comment as a violation)

Keeling and Jaynes should split the bill for the run off. The coin toss is not right. They should each pay half of the bill so the tax payers do not have to pay it. Comment From: hadenough  (Report this comment as a violation)

I wonder where Jaynes got all that campaign money to start with?? And he still has plenty left over. maybe it was donated from a very generous and wealthy source...hmm makes you wonder. Comment From: cjshort98  (Report this comment as a violation)

Why is the runoff going to cost US $10,000! First, this isn't even my district! And second, seems as if they both have enough money put together to pay the tab. But, why does it cost that amount in the first place? Who is being paid? Do we have to rent the machines? If so, why not take the 10k and buy them for the district? I think that this whole situation is just silly and it shouldn't cost us a thing. IMO Comment From: TxBohemian  (Report this comment as a violation)

I was wondering the same thing sthtxgrl. Although I graduated many years ago I didn't think the math changed that much.
And if you have some left over ($14,000) is that yours to keep? Sounds like running for office might be profitable!!
Or maybe it could be donated to the district to counter the amount for the second election. Comment From: roberttx  (Report this comment as a violation)

what happens to left over campaign funds ?

Comment From: sthtxgrl  (Report this comment as a violation)

I don't understand how the amounts add up! I don't understand how having $2000 and spending $7000 comes out to having $8000. Can someone explain this to me? I'm not sure if this is a politic thing or something doesn't seem right.