Obama says Bush falsely accused him of appeasement
Obama says Bush falsely accused him of appeasement
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Enjoy your week end
Although you did point out one useful point unfortunately neither of the above is against the rules of this forum.
Ernie
But opinions are not equal to facts
And opinion only caused mike to believe this meant Obama
According to published reports this is what Bush saidBush said ""Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," the President said to the country's legislative body, "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is –- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
Roy Mark
Just as they did with mike's post about wide stance etc
Good luck ernie in your efforts to get mike to be civil. LOL I'll bet that post was a surprise to you. Dealing with mike is like the old joke about training a mule. First have to clobber the mule with a 2x4 just to goet the mule's attention
Roy Mark
No matter what approval The good book sayeth "Thou shall not bear false witness" And since mike has a written history of it I would think he would be more careful what he writes
RE: Ernie, I don't know who this WE is.
I have been posting in the same manner for over three years.
You are not above the fray, nor are you the hall monitor of the on line forum.
This is a on line public opinion forum and people are entitled to their opinion, much to the objection of some. The forum has many threads, so it is very easy to bypass the subject or poster that you disagree with. In fact you can bypass the forum entirely........If one chooses....I think you are taking an ocassional compliment ,way too far......................No one needs a daddy.
Lectures are not needed nor wanted.
This system has a way of reporting objectable material; please avail youself of that; if my posts are out of line. The Victoria Advocate forum police will take appropriate action.
Roy Mark
Please follow his suit. Otherwise this discussion is nothing more than a shouting match with no one getting anywhere.
Thanks,
Ernie
Because I don't let my mouth overload my rear and give mike the opportunity. Mike only attacks me personally very seldom can answer my messages. Just as today. Just answer the questions mike. How do you know that Bush meant Obama?and what did mike mean with his remark about Perino?
mike can run but he can't hide from his posts. AS he says "Words have meaning"
Roy Mark
mike posted this on his blogWhite House spokesman Dan Perino has said the president was not talking about Barack Obama when he invoked Nazis and the actions of Neville Chamberlain into a 60 year anniversary of the founding of Israel speech. If anyone believes that, I have the Guadalupe River bridge I will sell them pretty cheap.
mike did you intend to call Perino a liar? If you did At least have the guts to admit that you did. If you didn't explain what you did mean.
Since mike has a history of falsely acussing someone of lieing on here I would think he would want to get this cleared up.
Mike sez If anyone believes that, I have the Guadalupe River bridge I will sell them pretty cheap.
Mike also posted April 18, 2007 - Posted at 1:52 pm "I was wrong and I have learned a serious lesson of never calling anyone a liar unless I am double/triple sure, no scratch that I just won't do it unless a poster misquotes me."
So unless he can explain his remarks about Perino it doesn’t appear that he learned any leason
Roy Mark
Mike sez If anyone believes that, I have the Guadalupe River bridge I will sell them pretty cheap.
Is mike accusing Perino of being a liar? But doesn’t have the guts to admit it and can’t deny it so Same ol same ol for mikey Can’t answer Attack the messenger
Mike has run like a rabbit from the basic question of HOW DOES HE KNOW THAT BUSH WAS TALKING ABOUT OBAMA. Come on mike be a man and tell us how you know all these things
Are you calling Perino a liar. Surely looks thata way.
mike can run but he can't hide from his mouth overload
Mike had this to say April 18, 2007 - Posted at 1:52 pm
I was wrongmike posted this about a year ago maybe he should remember it bfore he calls anyone else a liar. You did mean to call Perino a liar didn't you mike?
"I was wrong and I have learned a serious lesson of never calling anyone a liar unless I am double/triple sure, no scratch that I just won't do it unless a poster misquotes me.
Again I am embarrassed by all this and I have learned a serious lesson.
But I was wrong and I realize my credibility is shaky(to some it was never that great) and this apology will probably be used against me but I deserve it."
Roy Mark
This was approved by the Big Horney
Bighorn does use colorful labels...LOL
Swami Donkey unholy trinity
mega dittos to you
I did not use seven alias at one time ,not have I been booted off for being a troll by the editor(twice),so I can am quite proud of my ethics.....BTW I probably produce more references than the average poster.
Nemesis please...Most of the time I ignore Roy Mark and I certainly don't post a blog about him......Count the post and see ,how many times I call out Roy Mark (zero,zip,none) now count the other way.
Thread lightly, trolls may be on board.
ROY MARK SAYS MIKE FALSELY ACCUSSING BUSH
mike the biased democrat wrote My methods will not be accepted by all. Especially those of accepting and trying to pass on opinions as facts. Also of "mind reading"
According to published reports this is what Bush saidBush said ""Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," the President said to the country's legislative body, "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is –- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
And then mike posted this piece of strictly opinionSituation Room" host Wolf Blitzer began his program by stating that "President Bush slams Barack Obama from Israel."(How wolfie?) Senior political analyst Gloria Borger quipped, "I know(how do you know Gloria) that the White House press secretary says they were not talking about Barack Obama, but of course they were."( Mind reading?) Senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin remarked, "I think(think? More mind reading) this is straight out of the usual Republican playbook." Jack Cafferty struck hard: "He is beyond irrelevant and he's not going to scare anybody. He just babbles away like Eliot Spitzer talking about matrimonial fidelity. It's a joke." CNN’s other senior political analyst, David Gergen, reminisced, "I can't remember as brazen a political shot by a President overseas in a political race back home... an especially jagged kind of
mike posted on his read only blog all descent will be deletedWhite House spokesman Dan Perino has said the president was not talking about Barack Obama when he invoked Nazis and the actions of Neville Chamberlain into a 60 year anniversary of the founding of Israel speech.
If anyone believes that, I have the Guadalupe River bridge I will sell them pretty cheap. Is mike accusing Perino of being a liar?
Easy enough to do on an anonymous post and then ducking and dodging proving his accusationsThe fact that mike evidently believes what he wrote with not a shred of evidence to confirm it speaks for the extremely thin skin of Obama and his zombie like followers. And the willingness of mike to believe opinions are the same as facts if uttered by LW democratsThink about mike even considering answering questions on here about how he knows what he pretends to know?
Mike has run like a rabbit from the basic question of HOW DOES HE KNOW THAT BUSH WAS TALKING ABOUT OBAMA. Come on mike be a man and tell us how you know all these thingsRoy Mark
I am always relaxed; don't mistake my comeback for a rant.
I too am waiting to see if Obama’s intelligence and quickness to learn, will overcome his inexperience, but I believe in bottom of my heart he will be an upgrade to the current president.
Until I see a total separation,I see John McCain as a second Bush term because his economic and foreign policies are identical. McCain half hearted speech on global warming did not impress the left, and it angered the right.
It would be nice to see a president that can hit a 15 footer, or throw the next year's baseball season opening pitch right down the middle.
Have a good week end.
I don't have a candidate in this race. Out of the whole field of candidates and former candidates I truely never found any particular one that makes me feel good about pulling the lever in November. Or pulling a trigger either. 8 years of Bill Clinton proved to me that no one person is big enough to wreck the American people or our country. And you likely have similiar feelings about GWB. And I understand that as well. Beyond his first two years in office, I have no clue what he is trying to do. Except for bankrupt the nation.
Many Dems often portray the former President Reagan as a wonderful celluloid presention of what we felt a president should be, with no real substance. While I disagree with that appraisal, perhaps you could empathize with my feelings towards Obama. That he is a wonderful speaker and presence, with a substance that is unknown to a large part. And when revealed is not my image and view of what I want for the US in the future.
Relax and enjoy your weekend. Go Astros!
A game and 1/2 out of first place is losing?
Winning the last three CONSERVATIVE District house seats is losing?
Key Republicans concerned because they fear the GOP brand is dead 'since it is est that the the Dem's will pick up six senate seats and over 20 house seats
.Bighorn is mistaking rejoicing for losing.
Over 30 million primary voters indicated they have a choice.
Over 3 MILLION NEW Democratic REGISTERED voters.
Keep distorting and distracting.
Can you say President Barack Obama?
BTW how is your canidate doing?...Now,that is losing.
It is truely sad that the unholy trinity of Rush, Hannity, and O'Reily have lead so many of us away from the wisdom and truth of Swami Donkee. May we all follow the great wise entertainers like Alec Baldwin out of the country if another election is stolen by the nazi pubs. Oh wait! He's still in California? He must be waiting for his new gig as Algore's chauffer for that SUV. Or steward on his private plane!
Alas, even the Great Swami Donkee is an Astros fan! He must find nirvana in losing. PLAY BALL!!
Little housecleaning before beginning my Saturday.
No, VBB; Ernie did not strike a nerve in fact his arrogance did not faze me at all. I responded as I am now, because I refuse to be a doormat. With Roy Mark, it is personal and goes back several years, and if you were observant, you would have noticed, I generally ignore him.
Ernie goes on to fill a page to tell us what everyone is already aware of. Books have been written about this subject. We have partisan crazies on the left and partisan crazies on the right. Having said that, there is a distinct extinction between Brit Hume, Brian Williams, Bill O'Reilly, and Keith Olbermann. The latter two are entertainers.
I am still angry at the Washington Post and New York Times for letting the Pentagon talking points stand for fact in the run up to the war in Iraq. I was angry to learn that over 50% of Fox viewers believed Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11. I am angry at 23 Democratic senators that did not take the time to read ;the entire NIE countering the evidence of weapons of mass destruction,and vote NO to the resolution to go to war. I am angry that the Constitution has continued to be circumvented and media is not putting it on page 1. The real conservatives are standing up to this, because that is the real strength of conservatism. It's not the social issues. I am angry that 16% of this country thinks Barack Obama is a Muslim (nothing wrong with being a Muslim). I was angry and disappointed that exit polling in West Virginia showed that a lot of Democratic voters did not vote for Barack Obama because he was black.
That’s what strikes my nerve, VBB not what a local poster thinks or writes about me. Hang around and you will have posters that hate you and what you post. It's the nature of the online forum. Chain letter e-mails and unlikely information, without providing credible references is what really irritates me, but I realize I am just another poster, so I will continue to try and correct the myths. My methods will not be accepted by all.
We were duped once ,and if we let distortions,distractions, and deflections go unchecked ' the next break in the evening news will be "American has bombed Iran" and people will be asking "How did that happen?"
Thanks, VBB and Roy. His response is about what I expected to find when I logged back in here. [shrug]
One item I find curious is that so many conservatives seem to be cowed by the liberal agenda. Now I know that's not the case of the majority here in TX but then Texans aren't exactly widely hailed for their ability to be buffaloed.
But it seems that somehow the progressives have managed finagle a psychological advantage that conservatives haven't quite been able to figure out. It started out subtlely but in recent years and especially the last few months of this election season, even I've been able to get a handle on it.
It began with "old fashioned." That's what they called conservatives in the beginning but recently it's progressed to Mike's old standby of "filtered blogs, Billo, Hannity and Fixed News" epithet. The former is subtle enough to be acceptable as an opinion and passed off but it conditioned conservatives for the latter - which is nothing less than saying either you agree with them or you're parrotting one of the aforementioned. Of course along they advanced on the flanks by painting all prominent conservatives as right wing fanatics so that when they sprang that catchphrase *no one* wanted to be associated with any of them.No matter that along the way they were ignoring the fact that O'Reilly is no more patently conservative than Olbermanis liberal; Hannity no more adamantly right than Colmes is radically left; that Rush is *certainly* no more fanatical than Jon Elliot, Al Franken, Thom Hartman or any one of the Air America whackos.
Conservatives have to stop letting them foist that hypocrisy on us. If we listen to Hannity and we agree with his assessments we should NOT allow that to somehow become an castigation. I hadn't listened to Limbaugh in years but recently, simply because so many progressives say he's anathema, I tuned in a few of his programs. I still find him a pompous *** at times but much of what he says is true and, Lord knows, if you want to see a pompous *** *convention* drop in on an Air America broadcast sometime. Rush can't hold a candle!
The premise that learning all sides of an issue is no less true today than it was in 1776, the belief that "facts" one reads in the paper or hears on the TV should be verified before being accepted no less critical, and the ability to reason out the separation of wheat and chaff no less vital. The big difference is that conservatives have to stop falling for the BS that progressives have snuck into our psyche that anyone who even *looks* at a view opposing their own must be a blind follower of the idiot conservative fanatics.
Glenn Beck may not always be right and I don't *always* agree with him but a lot of times he *is* right - and sometimes he's funny as HELL! :-)
Ernie
I find it interesting that any comment Obama doesn't like is "divisive". Could this be his, his handlers and the media's new "code word" for racists? If Obama plans on being president and leading this country he needs to toughen up, it's a hard cold world out there.
Roy Mark
mike tells us just what cheap shot did Bush take? Can't do it can you? Only in democrat's perverted guilt ridden dreams dreams can an insult be seen or heard in Bush's remarks.
Do you say perini lied when she said Bush was not talking about Obama? Easy to holler liar in an anonymous post isn't it.You would have to be to believe Bush was speaking of Obama.One more case of mouth over loading behind by spouting off unprovable opinions and trying to pass them off as facts. As you say Words matter Pay attention to them
Roy Mark
Did some one die and make Ernie's opinion the ultimate?You take yourself far too seriously.Do you really think I care what you think? You are just another uninformed right winger that likes to fill a page to admire his words in print...LOLSee concise and to the point...It's easy.
BTW you are sick & tired ..Who really cares?
Several have been sick and tired of sevens years of an incompetent administration and the uniformed who voted for George W. Bush twice, but in nine months I will be relieved.
Go ahead Ernie write your manuscript sit back and impress yourself...LOL
I have more important things to do ,like watching Rangers v Astros...Out
LOL
sorry.
Ernie
Mike, have you ever had a thought that didn't originate below your belt, in your stomach or in the small minds of your liberal mentors; Olberman, Matthews, Gergen or another bastion of the mainscream media? Do you know the simple difference between an opinion and a fact?
What Bush said in Israel is a matter of record. It's a fact. It is a fact that no where in the contended portion of his speech did he mention Obama or even allude to him for that matter. He did *allude* to the the comments of Sen. Borah re. Hitler and possibly Neville Chamberlain's reaction to Hitler's Panzers invading Czechoslovakia and quite possibly alluded to Carter's recent willfully contradictory actions.
What Bush *said* is a fact, what the liberal spinmeisters on CNN or the conservative watchdogs "Billo, Hannity and Rush" might surmise by their particular reading between the lines is *opinion" and it belongs to those who spout it - or more likely to those who thought it up for them. And as soon as it's spewed out of the mainscream media outlets on CNN, MSNBC or the big three networks, it somehow evolves into your fact by virtue of your ability to post a link to whatever site they spouted it from.
Here's a hint: Nothing becomes a fact simply because Olberman stated it!
Did Bush imply Obama might prefer to appease terrorist regimes? Maybe, maybe not. Did he have any business taking current American politics overseas? No - but then again it's only someone's *opinion* that he did. He mentioned fairly clearly about Hitler and the "appeasement" that Chamberlain would have pursued (assumably rather than the action that was taken). This would be a matter of history (i.e. *fact*) and one that would be intamately both applicable to the nation of Israel then and now.
Now here's *my* opinion: (not Rush's, not Hannity's, not O'reilly's. Mine. Maybe they'll spout it later today or even already have but if so, I'm not aware of it. It came out of my head after hearing this reported on the radio the last couple of days and after wading through this blog. Still, it's my *opinion*, my "reading between the lines."
Bush made his statement in Israel and it hadn't finished reverberating through the halls of the auditorium before Obama's campaign jumped on the words like a duck on a Junebug. One has to ask why that's so. (So I did...) What I surmised is that Obama and his staff know that his foreign policy and national security policies will be weak points for him in the coming campaign, especially in light of the war record, strong defense posture and strict foreign policy of his opponent. So, in order to not appear the wuss, to that portion of Americans who believe that diplomacy is only as effective as the strength behind it (which historical *facts* tend to bear out), his campaign needed to immediately launch a tough rebuttal denying his previously admitted intention of attempting to discuss rather than fight. Nothing particularly wrong with that stance - except that perhaps he was reacting to a statement that likely was only an imagined allusion to his foreign policy - or decided lack thereof.
In other words, Bush simply dropped a shoe. It was Obama who picked it up, tried it on and then squealed like a stuck hog when it pinched his toes.
Ernie
And where does Obama fit in here? More lies by Bush team?
And these are nothing but OPINIONS from CNN LW hands.Cafferty for crying out loud. Gergan has changed sides so many times (even more than Hiraldo)he has to look at the logo on the wall to decide which side to come down on. Why should they be anymore believable than anyothers?
Good shot by Bush stirred up all kind of guilty feelings without mentioning Obama's name. He didn't did he?
Karie lets get this out in the open.
Are you saying that Bush was to blame for 9/11 happening?
And mike do you say Perino lied?
Roy Mark
Ed Gillespie, gaggling to reporters today in Saudi Arabia, said that the White House really meant to Get Carter, not Obama:"We did not anticipate that it would be taken that way, because its kind of hard to take it that way when you look at the actual words. ... There was some anticipation that someone might say you know its an expression of rebuke to former President Carter for having met with Hamas. that was something that was anticipated but no one wrote about it or raised it."
http://marcambinder.theatla...
Got to spoon feed them,because research is not their strong suit, being a blind loyalist is.
8 months 6 days 15 hours 46 minutes until a competent administration takes over.
After Dana Perino messed up that press conference, the White House had to send out ultimate spinner Ed Gillespie to say the speech was intended for Jimmy Carter because they were not expecting the backlash….LOL
This is what CNN reported.
The Situation Room" host Wolf Blitzer began his program by stating that "President Bush slams Barack Obama from Israel." Senior political analyst Gloria Borger quipped, "I know that the White House press secretary says they were not talking about Barack Obama, but of course they were." Senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin remarked, "I think this is straight out of the usual Republican playbook." Jack Cafferty struck hard: "He is beyond irrelevant and he's not going to scare anybody. He just babbles away like Eliot Spitzer talking about matrimonial fidelity. It's a joke." CNN’s other senior political analyst, David Gergen, reminisced, "I can't remember as brazen a political shot by a President overseas in a political race back home... an especially jagged kind of criticism.
"http://newsbusters.org/blog...
Forgive them Karie2 they get their news from filtered blogs,Billo,Hannity,Rush & Fixed news...LOL
And neither can Obama or you or mike get in Bush's head. mike claims he can,can't get in his head but I do know what Bush was quoted as saying and he didn't mention OBama.
According to published reports this is what Bush said
Bush said ""Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," the President said to the country's legislative body, "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is –- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
ABC News' White House troops point out that the President has made similar statements in the past and Bush did not specifically cite Obama by name, though he did reference Sen. William Borah's immortal reaction upon hearing that Hitler had invaded Poland and begun World War II, something he has not highlighted in the past."
White House spokesman Dan Perino has said the president was not talking about Barack Obama when he invoked Nazis and the actions of Neville Chamberlain into a 60 year anniversary of the founding of Israel speech.
Does mike say Perino lied ? Easy to holler liar in an anonymous post on a small town newspaper.
Look, it is absolutely clear that President Bush never mentioned Obama's name. The fact that Obama and his "Praise be to Obama" chorus (Biden, Pelosi, etc.) reacted so strongly shows that they KNOW that the description of "appeaser" applies to him anyway, and that he is quite vulnerable on this count. Without their heated response, the general public would not have directly associated Obama with Bush's remarks -- but now most voters paying attention will have an indelible impression in their minds that Obama = Appeaser. As well they should. Obama's calls for direct talks with Ahmadinejad are spectacularly irresponsible.
Once more attack the messenger. Perino is dumb, but truthfull about what Bush said.
I heard that Cuban Missile Crisis story about cappaccino Perino. I would have thought that after hearing it mentioned in dozens of movies over the last forty years that she would have taken the initiative to look up the facts. But what the hey, when people like Perino need facts, they just ask Karl Rove to make them up.
It was a calculated risk at the Knesset, but they blew it.
A small correction Karie2,Perino is not playing dumb...LOL
One time she could not answer a reporters question about the Cuban missile crisis ,because,Dana Perino admitted she didn't know what the Cuban Missile Crisis was....Intellegance is not a prerequisite for being in the Bush Administration.
Bush hypocritically criticizes a position on US foreign policy that his opposing party holds, but he does it on foreign soil. Perino is playing dumb again because they didn't expect this much political BLOWBACK.
As for Obama, go to Thomas.loc.gov if you want to look up his legislative efforts. Here are a few:
* Ethics Reform: Obama was the Senate’s point person on ethics reform, and sponsored or co-sponsored the bills that made up what the Washington Post called “the strongest ethics legislation to emerge from Congress yet.”
* The Lugar-Obama initiative to strengthen the Nunn-Luger framework for securing loose nukes, and to extend it to securing and destroying stockpiles of conventional arms.
* Various bills concerning the response to Hurricane Katrina, including an amendment putting strict limits on the use of no-bid contracts after disasters, requiring planning for the evacuation of people with special needs and senior citizens, creating a National Emergency Family Locator System, etc.
* S.453 : A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.
* On veterans and military personnel: S.1084 : A bill to provide housing assistance for very low-income veterans;
* S.1324 : A bill to amend the Clean Air Act to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from transportation fuel sold in the United States;
* S.1389 : A bill to authorize the National Science Foundation to establish a Climate Change Education Program; S.AMDT.599 to S.CON.RES.21 To add $200 million for Function 270 (Energy) for the demonstration and monitoring of carbon capture and sequestration technology by the Department of Energy. (This last one passed both the House and the Senate as part of the budget bill.)
*On campaign finance and lobbyists S.2030 : A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require reporting relating to bundled contributions made by persons other than registered lobbyists; and S.AMDT.41 to S.1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.
* On Blackwater S.2044 : A bill to provide procedures for the proper classification of employees and independent contractors, and for other purposes, and S.2147 : A bill to require accountability for contractors and contract personnel under Federal contracts, and for other purposes.
* On global poverty S.2433 : A bill to require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.
* On global nuclear proliferation S.1977 : A bill to provide for sustained United States leadership in a cooperative global effort to prevent nuclear terrorism, reduce global nuclear arsenals, stop the spread of nuclear weapons and related material and technology, and support the responsible and peaceful use of nuclear technology.
: S.692: VA Hospital Quality Report Card Act of 2007: "A bill to amend title 38, United States Code, to establish a Hospital Quality Report Card Initiative to report on health care quality in Veterans Affairs hospitals." One Democrat cosponsor as of December 11, 2007. Read twice and referred to the Committee on Veterans' Affairs.
February 28, 2007: S.713: Dignity for Wounded Warriors Act of 2007: "A bill to ensure dignity in care for members of the Armed Forces recovering from injuries." The bill has 34 cosponsors as of December 11, 2007 (30 Democrats, 3 Republicans, and 1 Independent). Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.
* S.1271: Homecoming Enhancement Research and Oversight (HERO) Act: "A bill to provide for a comprehensive national research effort on the physical and mental health and other readjustment needs of the members of the Armed Forces and veterans who served in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom and their families." Four Democrat cosponsors. Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.
Universal healthcare for children in IL;
Videotaping police interrogations of criminal suspects.
Obama sponsored legislation blocking overtime restrictions instituted by the Bush administration, a move that buffeted the wages of union workers in Illinois.
Spnsored a law that extended the reach of the Earned Income Tax Credit to the working poor.
Roy Mark
Does mike say Perino is a liar? Easy to call someone a liar in an anonymous post on a backwater paper.
Roy Mark
White House spokesman Dan Perino has said the president was not talking about Barack Obama when he invoked Nazis and the actions of Neville Chamberlain into a 60 year anniversary of the founding of Israel speech. If anyone believes that, I have the Guadalupe River bridge I will sell them pretty cheap.
The fact that mike evidently believes what he wrote with not a shred of evidence to confirm it speaks for the extreme thin skin of Obama and his zombie like followers.
Think about mike even considering answering questions on here about how he knows what he pretends to know.
First question Just how do you know what you suspicion
is correct?
mike "jest cause"
and mike talks of people being easily fooled and at the same time buying into the BS and spin of a politician from the ward heeling ranks of Chicago politics
Share your info mike How do you know these thing you accuse President Bush of.
Roy Mark
And we were really responsible for the Jap attack on Pearl Harbor because we had embargoed all oil shipments to Japan
Yeah and fire doesn't melt steel either does it Rosie O?And the chicken have come home to roost eh Pastor Wright?
Hit us again with more of those quotes from the left wing moon bats
2. What qualifications does BHO posses in international relations. ( Commtitee's, military service, international business, education etc...)
3. Outside of being a gifted orator(supreme BSer in common talk) what qualities does BHO posses that make him the best candadiate to be president.
4. If a man or woman is to be judged by the company he keeps, what does this say about BHO.
- I find the hair trigger flight into hysterics that the BHO campaign staff and democrats have in general to any percieved slight to BHO or his ability to be POTUS to be very telling.
Roy Mark
SecDef Gates said a few days ago that the US should use incentives and pressures in dealing with Iran.
Guns and bombs are not always the best answer.
Bush is guilty of hypocrisy and tasteless political gamesmanship.
She asked Obama what he plans to do to help American autoworkers. As Agar put it, "This 'sweetie' never did get an answer to that question."
Roy Mark
He does not even have the male fortitude to say a simple kind thing such as sweetie without doing the PC cover you rear thing and apologize. So the lady at the store who calls everyone sweetie should fired and made to apologize to all in Victoria?
Not only is he a racist church goer he is a rookie flunky. More and more this comes out. But the leaders that run things are pushing him forward. We will pay if he is elected and will dread the day.
So all you good Dems practice what you preach, pay the most tax you can, short form only, no tax freee investments. He's got a lot of bills YOu are going to have to pay.
What a rookie, no back bone, wha wha..
Obama obviously had a very guilty conscience and wanted to pick a fight. Why didn't he just agree with Bush and say I agree we don't need any appeasement such as took place in 1939 with Adolp Hitler
Roy Mark
How does Bush's record compare to Bill Clinton's record.
You brought him up something about appeasemen. You back it up or just forget about it. Tell us what you are talking about. Every time you post under under your name it is a reminder to us that you are a Viet Vet. Just wonder if you are one of those Kerry was talking about. And Kerry wouldn't lie would he?
Just about as relevant as something you claim Prescott Bush did in the 1930s.
Same old sameo from mike, throws out a post that has absolutely nothing to do with the thread. Or anything else except a vague attack on my post. Nothing about Obama and his whiny claim nothing about what Bush said A Steinfeldesque post about nothing. Old old story of mike and his dodging answering his charges.
V Vet what's with all the Prescott Bush references? What do you think is the story of him and trade with Hitler? And what does that have to do with Obama negoiating with terrorists?
Watch a liberal challenged on an obvious mistake and they'll immediately point to someone else who made a mistake. When Obama was asked about his association with a literal bomb throwing terrorist and he immediately responded with the observation “Well President Clinton pardoned two of them”
Bout like me writing V Vet you seem to be so proud of being a Viet Vet what about all the atrocities like Mi Lai or baby, killing, village burning etc and all the crimes Kerry acussed you vets of.
Roy Mark
The apologists can only deflect,distort,and distract, because they can't come to grips with the fact that they voted for this president twice….Actions matter…LOL
So incompetent ,that Cheney, and the Karl Rowe tactics could not get Republican candidates elected in the last three special runoffs...People see through that fear mongering of old.
8 months 7 days 14 days until the most incompetent administration will be out of office.
Yes, we can.
"Words matter."
See So Called Rev Wright
Roy Mark
"Does Obama believe in negotiation with terrorists?"
"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," the President said to the country's legislative body, "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is –- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
ABC News' White House troops point out that the President has made similar statements in the past and Bush did not specifically cite Obama by name, though he did reference Sen. William Borah's immortal reaction upon hearing that Hitler had invaded Poland and begun World War II, something he has not highlighted in the past."
Obama sure is defensive. Bush didn’t even say his name and he freaked out.must have a bit of guilty conscious about this.
White House spokesperson Dana Perino was asked if Bush's line was a slam against Obama and she insisted, "It is not."
"I understand that when you are running for office sometimes you think the world revolves around you.(Ain't that the truth?) That is not always true and it is not true in this case,"
"(The President) has said similar things before," a White House official told ABC News' Martha Raddatz. "But it is in reference to a number of people, think Carter, others who have engaged in this or suggested it."
Has Obama offered to negoiate with terrorists?
Roy Mark
Which was approved by Hillary, Bill ,John Kerry,Ted Kennedy, Dodd, Biden and a House full of big dog Democrats. All later said the intelligence was the same that they had access to.
What did Bush say that Obama got his skivves such a knot about? Something that made him feel guilty about talking with terrorists
I think it is beneath the dignity of the office of the presidency to use the celebration of the 60th anniversary of Israel to take a political cheap shot,aimed to stir up resentment for a United Staes presidenial candidate. Words matter.
It is perfectly acceptable for this lame duck president to use that rhetoric, while stumping for John McCain, because most will just tune it out, and accepted for what it is political spin.