What happened on April 11?
What happened on April 11?
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Mon Jul 7, 2008 07:08:55 CDT
This thread will be locked. Many of the posts are against Advocate policy. The posts in question are off topic and are personal attacks.
Mon Jul 7, 2008 01:38:49 CDT
The two most dangerous calls an Officer can respond to are two that most people would not think twice about.1) Routine traffic stop.
It may just be a guy who was not paying attention to his speed, then again it may be a murderer trying to make his getaway and thinks you are on to him when you pull him over.
2) Domestic Disturbance.
When there is a fight or argument among family members, tension, tempers, and emotions are always higher and out of control. The responding officer is nearly always faced with a lose/lose situation so far as resolving the problem to everyones satisfaction. There have been many a case where responding officers arrive to find a Husband beating his wife, and when they go to subdue him, the wife attacks the officers yelling "Leave my husband alone!"
Idiots, one and all.
Mon Jul 7, 2008 00:43:11 CDT
Libertyunt justice: sounds like an episode of "Cops"! My dad told me a long time ago, never try to stop another families argument--you'll end up the bad guy.
Mon Jul 7, 2008 00:36:23 CDT
Ragman - "This family puts the fun in dysfunctional." Tee-hee! Now, THAT'S fun! Here's more:
They put the FUNK in dysfunctional.
They put the DISS in dysfunctional.
With a little more work, this could turn into a solid Top-Ten hit.
Mon Jul 7, 2008 00:18:22 CDT
OMG I just read this story and it sounds like typical "familia" B.S. if you ask me. How many times has anyone gone to a family gathering and had some B.S. go on there, then once the cops responded instead of the person they wanted getting into trouble someone else did how sadly they cried about how they were mistreated. I once went on a ridealong with VPD and remember going to a call where a woman was being abused by her husband and once we got there he was gone, the officer checked her home to make sure he was gone and the lady said if he came back she would call again, we rode around the neighborhood thinking that he might still be in the area and saw a car pull up to this ladies house so we went back thinking that it was her husband back to hurt her, but no it was her son and daughter(of course we did not know this when we pulled up). Upon getting out of the patrol car the woman became irate with the officer and started to throw her arms yelling that nothing was done blah blah blah, then when her son tried to calm her down and get her inside the house she began pushing on him and started talking mad mess to the officer who had turned back around to make sure that this lady was ok! By this time there were about 2 other units there and the lady was still talking smack when the officers were trying to get information from the others who were there to see if they had any information that could help in finding this womans husband whom she claimed abused her. The lady began to threaten the officers and was arrested for public intoxication once she set foot on the street. I could not believe the way this woman was acting, I mean here are people who came to her aid, she called them and once the put the handcuffs on her she tried to bit them, head-butt them and everything else. When they finally got her in the car she kicked out the window and continued yelling obsceneties! Now not everyone has a perfect life or family but if you screwed up, fess up to it and stop trying to place blame elsewhere. Cry me a river for the family that thought they were billy bad a** and ended up getting into more trouble than they thought. Kudos to the officers.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 23:10:55 CDT
JACK-----"Why was nothing heard from the Cano's on April 12th or April 13, or April 14? I would think if they felt wronged they would have been crying to the Advocate sooner than they did.Certainly looks like they have lawyered up and have been advised to go public before they file charges or sue.Victor Cano's burn marks in the photos actually look like fire ant bites that he scratched too hard, not taser wounds. " werent they all in jail on those days?
Sun Jul 6, 2008 22:49:12 CDT
Willie and TomC: Shame on you both. Savannah has distanced herself from her relatives that are on the wrong side of the law and you make fun of her spelling. How petty and trite and just plain mean.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 22:36:12 CDT
This family puts the fun in dysfunctional.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 21:43:59 CDT
This story says that three people jumped the fence and attacked Victor. And nothing else about it. That is odd in itself. It has not been often, as a matter of fact, never, that three people have jumped my fence and attacked me. Could this Wilbur person have been more complete and elaborated on this fact a bit more? Laziness on her part? I'd be willing to bet that attack was an instigation of this dysfunctional family...
Sun Jul 6, 2008 21:35:19 CDT
Dang it, I always miss the good posts. I just finally got caught up and have to say I'm sorry I missed the fun. Hey bigmommas house, what gives? And no I actually don't watch cops and as a matter of fact I said "reality police shows" which yes includes cops and other shows. My guess is this, you guys called the police, police didn't believe your story or ya'll were too busy acting like animals it never got that far. One person cussed, which by the way the Supreme Court says profanity is not protected in the 1st Amendment. Your family gets arrested so you guys now do a 360 and get mad at the cops. Your true sides come out and boom, you all go to jail. And something about the dad being that age and according to the article, of small stature making the comment about "If I kicked him he would know it" is ridiculous. I doubt the cops were scared of him no more then me being frightened of a rabid ankle biting dog nipping at my shoelaces. And tstorm and southtexas, its nice to be on the 'same side' for once. Luminary, as for your posts.....wtf?
Sun Jul 6, 2008 21:19:12 CDT
good bye my fellow poster!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 21:16:46 CDT
Not touching that one either!signing off....have a good night!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 21:04:39 CDT
Well put Willie! I do feel for this family but, what you got to understand when you go public you leave things wide open for attacks. That's in any situation! I keep hearing the video about the dad saying they were beating him my son, than he says they were killing him so which was what? Well it will be forgotten by the end of the week!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 21:00:22 CDT
uhm willie i didnt write that. my mom did. and just so you know you should feel very stupid. your fighting with a 14 year old. but its ohk, u can talk about me and what i say but im the one who put up with the things CANO'S do and i thank god that im not like them even if ya'll say i am. bhut like i said its ohk say wat you have to say
Sun Jul 6, 2008 20:50:59 CDT
I am just going to leave that one alone Savannah!I must be talking out of my "behind", as Bigmamma said earlier?!?
Sun Jul 6, 2008 20:43:18 CDT
As for you willie and you tom c. I know all the parties in the family and as long as you dont know what is going on I think the girl Savannah has a right to express her feelings on the matter since she went threw life putting up with these people she has a right to say what she feels so as for them being proud of her they dont need to be proud of her she has alot of people that are very proud of her because she has done very good in life and it was not thanks to any of the cano's. She will be a someone in life she is in all GT classes she is always helping people and is there for everyone and never puts anyone down for her to have said what she did it came from her heart because she does not put anyone down so yall to people need to shut the hell up and worry about keeping on playing the games yall are playing back and forth on this site.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 20:35:46 CDT
Savannah: I dont know that I would have even laid claim to being any part of that family. But it is appearant that you share the same genes. HAYou know, I may misspell a word every now and then. I may even miss some punctuation, or even add it when it is not necessary at all, but I will have to say one thing....
Some of these posters are comical!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 20:20:35 CDT
savannah...I'm sure the family is equally proud of you and your accomplishments in life. Thanks for your input. NOT! lol
Sun Jul 6, 2008 20:16:56 CDT
for one these people have been worthless since the day i was born.yep thats right these people are my "family" ha NOT im on my own dont claim them.....they are stupid for even trying to go public on this story they always have to be the "center of attention" there is so much i have to say to these people but for now im just saying that this story sounds so retarded. if they wanted help cuz poor daddy victor was gettin jumped then they should have kept their mouths SHUT. ha smart people
Sun Jul 6, 2008 19:04:43 CDT
I agree with tstorm --- no need to bring Tyler into this.... he did his part by presenting it to the GJ ---'nuff said.
Besides, I'm having way too much fun laughing at these people and their ridiculous claims and laughing at some of the posts in here!!!!
I think this is one of those times when the following adage applies: Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry, and you cry alone!!!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 18:58:21 CDT
Shocking!! Just Shocking I tell ya!! These kinds of folks are such Dumb butts!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 18:50:02 CDT
No need to turn this into a Tyler bashing party angelah.I think this is pretty close to what happened April 11th.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Sun Jul 6, 2008 18:43:55 CDT
what. a sob story,Of course i don't believe one word of it. I side with VPD, and so should everyone else. What a slap on the face to officers who risk their lives. Seems to me Tyler worked harder to get city officials indicted than actual criminals. That's Tyler the criminals pal. By the way did'nt he employ a child molester.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 18:05:32 CDT
Luminary....we'll just switch to German....the easiest language in the world to learn. Everything is pronounced exactly as spelled and base nouns are kept in the same form, i.e. I am sick (krank). I go to the hospital (krankenhaus). They take me in an ambulance (krankenwagen). Cool huh.....I love Mark Twain, but I do think on occasion he smoked those funny cigarettes.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 17:48:14 CDT
Mark Twain offered the following concerning spelling:
For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and Iear 4 might fiks the "g
j" anomali wonse and for all.
Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli.
Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud
hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910), "A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling"
Sun Jul 6, 2008 17:15:55 CDT
I am fairly sure most on here are of the Caucasian RACE. Same as the folks in the Story. Now if we are talking heritage? That covers a lot of territory around these parts.
German, Checks(sp) its spelled like it sounds!, Polish, Mexican, Irish (hiccup), Scots, Spanish, French(whoops dropped my gun), English (I'll pick it up), Swedes, Norwegian, get the point? All Caucasian.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 17:05:49 CDT
LOL texasmom!!! it's ok though, I'll get that prescription!!! This is just too funny! On a more serious note, it isn't right to bring out the race card justmeme --- none of us on this forum care about the ethnicity of this family --- just their primate-like behavior. (No offense to any primates in here)
Sun Jul 6, 2008 17:01:23 CDT
darlin64 OMG!! You will need Detrol LA!! Wait! Wait! I forget you know where I live! Hell!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 16:55:31 CDT
Earlier this morning, I was really angry about this story... but reading these posts.... I can't stop laughing! Southtexas and some of the others, well we may not agree on all the issues, but I'm so glad that we have found some common ground here.Bigmomma and Justmeme.... OMG! stop! I'm going to pee myself ---- from laughing!!!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 16:55:12 CDT
The Grand Jury probably dismissed the case, because it was a, he said, she said situation. OR a, they said, they said.
Bigbertha, I mean mama, please--your are illiterate, stop posting, you are embarrassing the morons. River is right spell check doesn't correct literacy.
I think I will hang with the VPD on this one! They came when called, they busted heads, they hauled folks to jail. Talk crap to the police, that's what happens. Swing at them, get you're head busted and zapped.
They would rather be "judged by 12 than carried by 6." Sorry, I love that line.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 16:28:43 CDT
I think "thall was a word invented by Jessica Simpson, as in " Howdy Th'all!"
Sun Jul 6, 2008 16:23:33 CDT
Ernie...thanks for pointing that out! I didnt want to say anything. I did not want it to seem like I was attacking someone with an "educational handycap"! Notice the spelling of handicap. These blogs are even more humorous than the story itself!
Please keep entertaining us Bigmamma and Justmeme!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 16:20:36 CDT
Oooops! Sorry, STX and JustMyThoughts...but tha'll are still gonna have to clean that up your own selves!
Ernie
Sun Jul 6, 2008 16:16:51 CDT
Tha'll shouldst stop bearing false witness against thy neighbors.That's #9 on God's Top Ten list, from whom Letterman stole the idea.
oy vey...
Sun Jul 6, 2008 16:10:43 CDT
What's a "thall?"Is that like some sort of archaic contraction of the Texan "y'all"? You all = y'all. thall = thou all?
I'm confused...
And my color is.....blue. It's a nice color. Soothing, quiet, calm.
Yeah, I like blue.
Ernie
Sun Jul 6, 2008 16:02:30 CDT
Why was nothing heard from the Cano's on April 12th or April 13, or April 14? I would think if they felt wronged they would have been crying to the Advocate sooner than they did.Certainly looks like they have lawyered up and have been advised to go public before they file charges or sue.Victor Cano's burn marks in the photos actually look like fire ant bites that he scratched too hard, not taser wounds.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 15:58:12 CDT
Is the last sentence the only line you read?
Sun Jul 6, 2008 15:54:45 CDT
Ahh, the infamous race card comes into play! Good one! Where did Bigmamma go? Justmeme must be giving her a helping hand.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 15:40:34 CDT
Don't even stoop as low as trying to start screaming race issues here. Give me a break!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 15:24:35 CDT
And BigMamma is not attacking anyone?And by all means let's play the race card when you have no idea what color any of us are.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 15:11:59 CDT
Why are the attacks on bigmama or any one with an educational handycap being allowed on this site. Shame on this Town when adults are ugly with each other and then claiming holier then thall ethics. It is a sad time in Victoria when some can bager a family and or persons behind a hidden name so as not to be recognized and think you can get away with it. Make a simple comment of the story and let everyone make theirs. Don't be a coward show your colors.H-mmm Colors is that the problem here ?
Sun Jul 6, 2008 14:57:41 CDT
The case was probably dismissed because it was more trouble than it was worth.....Can you imagine this whole family in court???? Close your eyes....create a mental picture.No one was actually seriously harmed. If you had a trial or a hearing involving these people you would have to have extra security....there would probably be several more fights, wailing and thrashing and pounding of chests; the cost would be substantial. Then you would have to arrest the family members that charged cursing the judge or kicked the baliff....Just let sleeping Tazmanian Devils lie.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 14:27:40 CDT
Willie - BBQ Plates..I'm laying on the floor laughing. It took me 5 minutes to recover and type this.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 14:24:21 CDT
:-) Dig.Now to put this back on the level it was before some sanity was inserted, and in deference to Luminary's love of quotes;
"You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose. But it's not wise to pick your friend's nose."
Give 'em hell, Harry!
Ernie
Sun Jul 6, 2008 14:17:15 CDT
ALS: I read the paper. Doesn't change my perspective. I believe I stated that they deemed there wasn't a case to pursue so we have to assume justice was served. Considering the events of the recent past that I've been involved in and that I'm pretty sure most of those in here are aware of, my vocalizing my suspicions about why the PD's case wasn't accepted by the GJ would likely come across as so much sour grapes.Besides, I figure most of those intelligent enough to make that connection probably already have.
Ernie
Sun Jul 6, 2008 14:16:34 CDT
This is the funniest series of posts I've seen in a while.bigmomma - what grade are you in??? 2nd?? 3rd???
Sun Jul 6, 2008 14:09:33 CDT
Wow! New York had 9/11, Victoria has 4/11.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 14:03:10 CDT
Spell-check only fixes spelling errors. No computer program exists that can fix stupid.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:54:58 CDT
big momma please quit embarrassing yourself!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:50:39 CDT
thanks for that intelligent information bigmomma...next time someone asks me what does the clock say...?
I will reply... nothing... it doesn't talk!!!
WOW....I feel so much better now.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:49:53 CDT
There's no retailation the truth is just being told if you can't handle it don't post your comments.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:49:38 CDT
Luminary do you EVER speak your mind or do you just get your kicks from rambling quotes all day long? Don't get all butt hurt at the people standing behind the police doing their job.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:47:16 CDT
texasmom the front page can't tell it all,because it doesn't talk. Your narrow headed it and closed mined. Just cause you get your bills paid with benefits it doesn't mean everyone does some people do have to work to make a life.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:46:11 CDT
A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices.
William James
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:45:07 CDT
Texasmom: You took the words right out of my mouth!Bigmomma: I am not buying any BBQ plates today. Go get a job!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:44:16 CDT
bigmomma is on a roll...she is backfiring at every post against the family starting from the bottom... I suspect retaliation in 2 more minutes.......LOL Willie !!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:42:48 CDT
Bigmomma the front page tells it all!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:41:55 CDT
tstorm5 we don't want to know what kind of people you are just keep it to yourselves. The Cano's know what kind of people they are and they don't need no help from you.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:39:06 CDT
big momma what the hell does a benefit have to do with topic.Is this the way this family gets their bills paid having benefits? just a question?
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:38:01 CDT
No, I actually agreed with sickandtired...It seems that family in the story needs to watch COPS more often so they will learn how NOT to act!!
Luminary... can't you come up with some famous quote in here?
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:37:44 CDT
Bigmomma: Stop typing! Really! You are just too funny! Bless your little heart! LOL!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:36:36 CDT
Hey Willie ovbiously you don't know much about this family,because if they needed money they would have made a benefit to raise it just like everyone else. I think you talking out of your behind. Why don't you do your homework before you try to put someone down. We really don't care to know about your money problems.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:32:18 CDT
Sick and Tired are you sure you are not a career liar it seems to me that you would have a lot of knowledge of how to be a liar. I think you see cops to much try to watch somethingelse to get your mentality straightened out. They don't need an Oscar all they need is to be truthful.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:31:53 CDT
The groupies in here act like a lemming migration as they go about being a lynch mob.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:28:05 CDT
Sorry for my delayed response to your last comment bigmomma. I was laughing so hard at your last comment I had to walk away.I understand that you and your family may be in need of some money right now. Making false accusations about police is certainly no way to fatten your wallet.
I am sure your goverment check will be in at the first of the month (or is it the last of the month)! Heck, I have no idea how that works!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:25:01 CDT
LOL Nope, just someone who thinks along the same line as you do
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:22:44 CDT
just my thoughts...are you my sister?
LOL
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:20:38 CDT
big momma i find it hard to believe you are in law enforcement. Sure your not related to the family!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:20:37 CDT
"bigmomma...what was all that you rambled in that post down there about anyway...I am referring to the first one...what the heck did you say???I wondered how long it would take for one of the Villarreal's or Cano's to borrow someone's computer to post something related to this story!"
LOL at all of this. It's pretty obvious it's one of them since they got all bent out of shape about the Detrol comment. And notice they finally started using spell check towards the end? Nice touch.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:18:16 CDT
bigmomma....being arrested or being in jail does not constitute "being in law enorcement"ALS....most of us read the story correctly...the charges were against the family and it was dismissed..What's new?
GJ dismisses another case. We are shocked that now this family is crying out that they were all hurt by this!!
That's why we are all shocked because we know they are full of BS!
bigmomma...what was all that you rambled in that post down there about anyway...I am referring to the first one...what the heck did you say???
I wondered how long it would take for one of the Villarreal's or Cano's to borrow someone's computer to post something related to this story!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:04:36 CDT
Believe it or not it just doesn't matter and it's not my job to enlighten you. If you want to know go get the training to enlighten yourself. That's why I did. So no one cares what you think/what you have to say. I dealt with people like you and it doesn't phase me a bit what you say/think to each it's own.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:02:02 CDT
Ernie and all the other posters defending the PD's actions, please reread the article. The case presented to the Grand Jury was NOT against the police, it was against the family. It reads "A grand jury last week rejected the charges of assaulting a public servant police filed against the family, District Attorney Stephen Tyler said. The grand jury said a disorderly conduct charge might have merit, but recommended Tyler not prosecute."
Obvioulsy, after hearing evidence and testimony from the PD the Grand Jury didn't think there was enough to indict any family member of assault on a peace officer. The PD was the one crying "foul", so I have to wonder what is the real story?
Also, the PD has been quick to release any and all things when it comes to their complaints against Tyler. Why is it that now they choose to not be so cooperative with the media? Ummmmmmm?????
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:01:52 CDT
Well BigMomma, first of all, cops are not "put into office" as you state. They are hired on to do their job just like everyone else. It's not an elected position. And I agree with Willie, I have a very hard time believing you are in law enforcement. They can usually spell and speak with a clear train of thought and I have seen neither of those come from you as of yet.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 13:01:26 CDT
No nerve struck here. I would just like to read a semi intelligent blog if someone is going to post one. Hmmmm...lets try proper punctuation for a start!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:59:26 CDT
Mr. Ernie no one hit/beat the cops it was the other way around. Ya still don't get the picture of how stupid the cops are making everybody in this town look after we put them if office. How many more corrupted things do they need to do so everyone could get the entire picture.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:55:46 CDT
I have a hard time believing you are in law enforcement bigmomma. So, if you know (think you know) both sides, please enlighten us.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:54:27 CDT
Hey Willie what nerve of yours did I hit that made angry. Are you related to one of these people well it's to bad.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:54:08 CDT
"There is nothing more damaging to this country than police officers that violate a person's rights. Police officers lie on reports everyday. They have to cleverly word the report to make sure they will win in court. It has become the only way for the police to win against clever criminals. It's unfortunate that innocent people get abused in this process. The most important thing any citizen can do is spend time learning the penal code and their basic legal rights."OR learn to act like a decent human being towards others and you don't have to worry about screaming police brutality when you are treated professionally!
And BigMomma...your grammar is stellar. Thanks for the laugh!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:52:01 CDT
i too am sick and tired of people like ya making accusations you know nothing about and by the way I know the truth of both sides,because I'am in law enforcement and a ciliviain so don't make comments if you don't know what you are talking about. Thank You !
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:48:50 CDT
There is nothing more damaging to this country than police officers that violate a person's rights. Police officers lie on reports everyday. They have to cleverly word the report to make sure they will win in court. It has become the only way for the police to win against clever criminals. It's unfortunate that innocent people get abused in this process. The most important thing any citizen can do is spend time learning the penal code and their basic legal rights. Maybe Victoria needs a CopWatch group to video tape police officers to make sure they are being professional.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:48:45 CDT
Hey bigmomma, before you spout off at the mouth, why don't you learn proper English!What the heck did you just say anyway?
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:48:20 CDT
South Texas.. for once i am agreeing with you!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:44:29 CDT
To whoever saids we are told scum you may be talking about your own family. Don't let everyone what kind of people you really are, and as for Detrol prescribe it to yourself. You don't know what you are talking about.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:39:57 CDT
"If one more person quotes a Bible verse on here I'm gonna puke"Amen LOL
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:39:45 CDT
Wow Southtexas, for once I have to agree with you on that one!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:37:35 CDT
Self Defense Statutes (Texas Penal Code)
(c) The use of force to resist an arrest or search is justified:
(1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officer's (or other person's) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary.
(d) The use of deadly force is not justified under this subchapter except as provided in Sections 9.32, 9.33, and 9.34.
Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,1994.
Amended by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 190, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:33:24 CDT
If one more person quotes a Bible verse on here I'm gonna puke!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:32:00 CDT
If the police tell you to do something, get back, be quiet, or anything else, common sence should prevail. Or you pay the consequences.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:26:01 CDT
Now that having been said....I don't know this family and I wasn't there to witness the incident. That being the case, I have to assume the GJ heard enough of the evidence to determine there wasn't a case against the PD to pursue and that, therefore, justice was served in the matter.
Normally my tendency is to favor the PD and in this case I see no reason to stray from that inclination. I'm a little dismayed though to see so much and so strident emotion being tossed out with so little to base it on! Geeez, I really hope I don't get on the wrong side of some of you!
Ok, so Papa probably can't legally own a gun to protect himself with but as far as I'm aware, there's no law against him having a baseball bat. After all, the police do what they can to be proactive and prevent crime but they can't be everywhere all the time and the normal course of events is to be called during or after an event so 90% of the time their job is unfortunately REactive. Even if the "perps" are done and gone when they do get there they have to attempt to sort things out. As TStorm said, if they just drove away they'd be catching all billyhell for NOT doin their job.
And you have to remember too, these officers are arriving on a scene that, based on what little info they have, is already violent. Almost certainly they've not been faxed photos of the alleged victims on their drive over so they have no clue who are the attackers and who are the attackees.
Yelling, cursing and hitting the officers while berating them for not doing their job no sooner than they get out of the car is probably not the best way to ID yourself as the victim.... The officers' first duty is to secure the scene, protect the public and then to protect themselves. Sounds to me as though, in this case they had to secure the public just to protect themselves!
Once again, when the man with the badge and the gun says to sit down and shut up, one would be well advised to do just that.
Ernie
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:20:28 CDT
Ernie, seek and ye shall find the connection. The 1 Peter 5:8 Bible verse is connected to a larger event that closely parallels what you guys are doing.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 12:02:33 CDT
Luminary, first a quote from "The Devil's Dictionary" (Sukker Uffro) and now a biblical quote about Satan seeking to devour?
The two of you aren't related are ya?
And yes, Nun, I *know* which one you're related to. :-)
Ernie
Sun Jul 6, 2008 11:50:06 CDT
"Now, Villarreal’s face becomes covered in tears when she says she has a big mouth.""“We’re so close, he brings me leftovers,” Juanita Cano said, teasing her son."
"Her nightgown was soaked. She lowered her eyes and her voice as she described her condition."
Oh please, give me a break. The Victoria Advocate does it again. We are supposed to feel sympathy for these poor people sitting at their plastic wrapped kitchen table with smiling photos of family around them.....My God it is almost like the Cleavers home.
The police could not walk off as some of the other posters have suggested. They may not like it but they have a duty to investigate the three unknown assailants that they were called there to protect this family from.
What do they get.....they get attacked. And there is no other way to put it. Running at and cursing the police that have come to help you is hardly the way to show appreciation or cooperation.
“Every time I see a cop, I get scared or cry.”
My guess is that that was the case before April 11th....only because of fear that the cops might be there to arrest someone for past crimes.
Victoria Advocate....you never cease to amaze me.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 11:44:06 CDT
Luminary aka Willful Ignorance – “For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident within them.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
For even though they knew God, they did not honur Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the Glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man … and crawling creatures.“ Romans 1: 18-23
Sun Jul 6, 2008 11:42:07 CDT
Like I said before, I very seldom take sides with the cops when someone gets roughed up a little. I think these people should be sending a letter to the cops, thanking the officers for the kind treatment they received. It's ashame there isn't an exterminator we call for people like these.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 11:33:39 CDT
Whatever Luminary. As is usual for you, you just come here to pick people to pieces for their thoughts and opinions. Throw bible verses at me all day long but I stay firm in my belief that this family is nothing but trash. They spew vile and filth with every word they speak and I find it amusing that they are publicizing that the police put them in their place rightfully.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 11:20:03 CDT
Actually...Luminary...I know the family and heard their side....this was after ...of course...hearing it on the pole scanner first!!!
Good day to you sir! I shouldn't even give you the respect of calling you sir...oh well...it's Sunday!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 11:09:27 CDT
As is the custom in here, the same people are quick to show up in these forums time and again to support the police like a congregation of groupies, regardless of the circumstances. To support their pro-police agenda these groupies run a not so slick campaign in these discussions of dissembling, deceiving, and flat out lying about news reports and events occurring in Victoria these days. I can only suppose they falsely believe that they can influence public opinion by their amateur attempt at media management.
The truth is none of us were there to witness what was reported in the newspaper. What the newspaper reports about what the officers put in their report and what the family says happened in this story is hearsay. People with and agenda who fuel this hearsay with speculation are guilty of gossip!
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil,
as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.”
1 Peter 5:8
Sun Jul 6, 2008 11:05:58 CDT
Don't worry, sickandtired, when you file false claims against the cops you better have a good story. They are going to cook your goose if your lying. I'll try to find the policy they have.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 10:52:32 CDT
Maybe Cole Cole and Easley will take their case! Oops i didn't say that! Well i have to agree the VA gave these ppl one days worth of front page fame! Way to go!
these ppl are just plain total scum! To the Cano daughter have your doctor prescribe you some Detrol LA for your overactive bladder!
Sun Jul 6, 2008 10:40:40 CDT
don't think i could be a cop, not with people like this making accusations that could potentially hurt your career. i'm all for someone policing the cops, but when what you accuse didn't happen, you too should be held accountable
Sun Jul 6, 2008 10:33:19 CDT
You think those idiots are whining now???I wish the cops had walked away so we could see them screaming and whining, "the cops didn't do nothing, we tried to tell them what was happening and we were very friendly, but they just drove away. No one wants to protect us, why do the cops hate us"?
Yeah, that would go over real well!!! Good idea havivoca, I'm sure the cops are interested in hearing more of your great strategies.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 10:31:45 CDT
I give the Cano's a Oscar for such a fine acting job in the video. I love the masking tape around the center of the elder Cano's glasses....very classy. And the poor lady who said she cries when she see's the police, gimme a freakin break. You want some cheese with that whine? Get some education and quit blaming everyone for YOUR mistakes. Act like a human and not like some wild band of animals. You aren't going to get any sympathy here. "I'll take a lie detector." If you ever watch any reality cops show, every crook uses that line because they are such career liars, they probably would pass.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 10:28:25 CDT
"Havivoca... unless you know the family...that would be impossible.
What happens when you walk away from a 3 year old...
they linger behind you...tugging at you...then starts the screaming and yelling because the tugging doesn't work...!!(Back to disturbing the peace) "
Gotta agree here. They would be on the news raising cane that their pleas for help were ignored or some other nonsense.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 10:26:31 CDT
Havivoca... unless you know the family...that would be impossible.
What happens when you walk away from a 3 year old...
they linger behind you...tugging at you...then starts the screaming and yelling because the tugging doesn't work...!!(Back to disturbing the peace)
Sun Jul 6, 2008 10:23:48 CDT
Tstorm, did you ever hear of just walking away from a bunch of people screaming like 3-year-olds? They could have restored peace by walking away. I've been doing that since I was 6 years old. It works every time.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 10:22:21 CDT
havivoca-They were trying to do their jobs and take reports and were verbally attacked. I'm sure if it was you, you would not have just walked away but have handled the situation before it escalated any more. It's easy to say what you WOULD HAVE done but their jobs are to maintain and restore peace and that's exactly what they did.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 10:18:37 CDT
Havivoca, Uh, you want us to take that seriously, right?When the cops arrived, they wanted to find out what was going on. Instead of explaining, the idiots chose to start screaming and carrying on like a bunch of 3 year olds.
The cops treated them better than they should have.
I'm thinking the next time that pack of problem children call(which is going to happen) the cops ought to drive around for a few hours trying to find the place.
Sun Jul 6, 2008 10:10:44 CDT
On the other hand--- The police were called to a scene for a legitimate reason. When they arrived, there was no sign of the assailants. They could have just said "It's all over, folks. We'll keep an eye on the place. Good night." Instead, the police reacted to comments made about them by the residents. Telling a cop that you don't think he is doing his job, or whatever, is not a crime. Or shouldn't be. The police could have walked away from the Canos with no more damage than a few curse words ringing in their ears.